Ep.85: Sara Stone

[00:00:00] Welcome back to Around the Buoy, broadcasting from the East Passage Barright Studios. I'm Carter

[00:00:27] Richardson and I'm here with Tyler Fields of Tyler Fields' photography. Tyler, how's it going?

[00:00:33] I think we're in that first, possibly second fall spring.

[00:00:43] It was 55 degrees and so gorgeous today. It was gorgeous. And I think the temperatures

[00:00:49] supposed to be about the same if not a little bit warmer than the next couple days.

[00:00:53] It could be it. Well, the Groundhog says and we all know that that stupid little road and

[00:00:58] folk and we've got there was two weeks and that was an early February so now we should be

[00:01:04] well into spring now. I do this every year. Get to about this time and winter starts really bugging me.

[00:01:11] Part of it is we've not had like a major, we haven't had a blizzard, we haven't had a major snowstorm.

[00:01:16] It's been fairly mild. It's definitely been mild. So there hasn't really been anything to break

[00:01:22] it up. It's just it's just Groundhog Day every day. Yeah. And so now that we're I mean,

[00:01:28] we're almost in the March. It'll be Marching a couple days. Yep. I mean spring is right around the

[00:01:33] corner. So I guess it really is. I guess 50s are okay. I've been getting emails and phone calls

[00:01:39] from boat owners. So yes, spring is right around the corner. They're all saying hey don't worry

[00:01:45] about this year. I'm fine. I don't know if I'm voting the water. I'm not in a rush this year.

[00:01:49] Yeah. That's good. It's neither am I. So August is a good time to go in forget that fourth of July rush.

[00:01:56] Yeah, really, really. I think right as we're getting into hurricane season,

[00:02:00] that's when I want to go in. I appreciate those cars. Well, I got a push notification from Hurricane

[00:02:05] tracker. And if you live if you live anywhere at this point, you need to have the hurricane

[00:02:10] tracker app. I'm not paid or we're not sponsored, but it is a really useful tool. It is. And they did

[00:02:18] a push notification yesterday. So that was February 26th, that hey, just check and make sure everyone

[00:02:28] is on track. Make sure you're working. The oceans are already fairly warm. So just heads up kind

[00:02:37] of a thing. So it's not too far away for that either. Not too far away. Not too far away. Well,

[00:02:44] we do have a pretty cool episode for you to stay. I got a couple of news topics to talk about

[00:02:50] before we get into our guest. The first one is and I will credit my co-host, the

[00:02:58] the amazing Tyler Fields with this title, but it's stingray Jesus and more povich.

[00:03:03] Well, I would like to take credit for that, but I think that was a what was it?

[00:03:07] CNET or Gaucker or I think wired wired wired wired on or whatever great story about a stingray

[00:03:18] Jesus. So we'll say in a macular conception in North Carolina, I feel that we should before we

[00:03:24] get into that, we should say that were idiots and that there's a lot of big words and a lot

[00:03:30] of big words. Lofty theory into this. So listen, enjoy but maybe do your own research on what

[00:03:39] actually happened because I think I'm gonna probably make some mistakes here.

[00:03:45] And then the second one is a fascinating topic. It's so incredible. This is a worldwide mystery

[00:03:51] that's been around since the 30s and we might have solved it and I stress might, but a real estate

[00:04:00] developer also in North Carolina has found or says he has found Amelia Earhart's plane,

[00:04:07] solving one of the biggest world's mysteries in let's see 70, 80, 90 nearly a hundred years.

[00:04:14] It's pretty incredible. The images they look intriguing. There's there's an image I'm not to well

[00:04:20] we'll get into it after it will get into that after but before we get into all those news topics,

[00:04:26] we will get into our guest. One thing that we hear all throughout the working world is you can't

[00:04:34] get a job without experience and you can't get an experience without a job. And this has been

[00:04:40] really true. One of the things Ben said, especially for a lot of the female sailors in the world

[00:04:46] and trying to get into top tier racing is that they can't get on boats because they don't have

[00:04:52] any experience. Well, that is all changing. The America's Cup has developed a new two new classes

[00:04:58] of four of the cup or two new races that is going to go along with the America's Cup this fall

[00:05:04] and that is the Pueg Women's America's Cup and also a youth America's Cup. We're really excited

[00:05:10] about that because again, I'm a huge baseball dork. I'm a huge baseball geek and their baseball

[00:05:17] is dying because they're not trying to get new people to watch it. And this is one way the America's

[00:05:22] Cup is saying we need to get this out to a much larger crowd, much more diverse crowd and we are

[00:05:28] excited because we are going to be talking to a member of the New York Yacht Club's American

[00:05:33] Magic's Women's Team. Her name is Sarah Stone and she's got a great story about how she came into

[00:05:39] sailing and also just the experience of sailing over the last 10 years and we will bring her on after

[00:05:45] this short break.

[00:05:47] The America's Cup has always been about pushing the sport of sailing to the limit and the last 10 years

[00:06:17] have been proof of that of holes of raised out of the water with speeds nearing 50 knots. But

[00:06:21] many aspect of the racing has not changed and outside of a few exceptions, the sport has been

[00:06:26] heavily male dominated. That is until later on this year when the world's best female sailors race

[00:06:32] in the inaugural Pueg Women's America's Cup in Barcelona. Last December, our guest Sarah Stone

[00:06:37] was announced as a member of the New York Yacht Club's groundbreaking team and we're excited to

[00:06:41] have her on to talk about this and the effect that they were God will have on the sailing world.

[00:06:46] Sarah, welcome to Around the Boolean. Thanks for coming on the show.

[00:06:49] Thank you guys very much for having me. Good good. Hey, so you grew up in Mary, Massachusetts,

[00:06:55] a location known for its sailing but you started your quote unquote athletic career as a row or not

[00:07:00] a sailor. How did this come about? Were you just a sailor who was burnt out and looking for something

[00:07:05] different? Not quite. I showed up at high school and I was really tall and like a gangly teenager

[00:07:14] and the rowing coach sort of said, hey you should try rowing. You're pretty tall. You'd be a good

[00:07:19] fit for it and a little bit of logic where they said, hey you can row in the spring of your freshman year

[00:07:26] if you love it great. You can row the rest of your high school career and you can still sail every

[00:07:30] summer and if you don't like it, you can still sail every summer and then next year you can sail

[00:07:35] so that made pretty good sense. Well, that must have been tough especially for the sailing coach because

[00:07:41] the school you went to, Tabour Academy has a very good sailing program. How did that? What was that

[00:07:48] talk like? Yeah, so actually I wasn't that into sailing as a little kid. I mean, I did summer

[00:07:55] sailing and sort of did a little bit of opty stuff. I didn't love it. I did a little bit of 420

[00:08:00] stuff more cruising with my family around Buzzards Bay, coastal New England, that kind of a thing.

[00:08:07] So I loved the bigger boat piece but I wasn't so stoked on racing that at that point. I thought,

[00:08:13] sure let's give rowing a try. It doesn't matter to me see if I like it. Are you aware now looking

[00:08:20] back on your whole cut where you are now about the effect or how many rowers have been recruited

[00:08:27] to do America's Cup sailing? Yes, now I'm aware of it. I certainly wasn't at the time.

[00:08:35] It's definitely I credit a lot of my development as an athlete and as a person honestly to rowing.

[00:08:41] I think it teaches you a huge amount of discipline, a huge amount of work ethic.

[00:08:45] It's an incredible team sport and I mean, my life would be completely different if I hadn't tried

[00:08:51] rowing in high school. I will totally geek out now and just have you read the book The Assault

[00:08:57] Unleak, The Assault Unleak Cassitas by Brad Lewis? No, I have not. Oh, it's great. It's so I was

[00:09:04] just telling Tyler about this just off air. The Brad Lewis was a rower and he won the gold medal

[00:09:10] in 84 and that book chronicles his trials to get to the Olympics and it's incredible but then he

[00:09:17] went on. He was then recruited by a team. It was Team USA in that 87 America's Cup and he was a

[00:09:25] grinder and he wrote a second book called Confessions of a Grinder which is also a grid you should

[00:09:31] definitely look them up. Yes, I definitely will. There's a bunch of grinders, a bunch of the grinders

[00:09:37] cyclores on the current America's Cup teams all come from rowing backgrounds so it's a pretty

[00:09:42] common turns out. It's a pretty common way into that physical component of the sport but

[00:09:49] yeah, there won't be any grinders on the AC 40 so you can leave that piece.

[00:09:55] It seems like outside of the Olympics there's not a ton of opportunity for professional rowing

[00:10:00] after college. So I guess it makes a little bit of a sense that some of these people are finding

[00:10:05] their way on board boats but for you how long did it take after college to get back into sailing?

[00:10:13] Yeah, it's a good question. I've had a little bit of a unique path into the sport for sure.

[00:10:19] I graduated college and I accepted a job in Colorado so I moved to a landlocked state

[00:10:26] took on this mostly desk-based job and it was super intellectually interesting to me. I studied

[00:10:32] infectious disease control and emergency response but it's clearly oh it's kind of like having

[00:10:39] a fine arts degree right now right that's nowhere near beneficial in the world.

[00:10:46] I don't know, now everybody knows what epidemiology is so it's pretty good. So I got into this

[00:10:52] desk job and that was around the time that team SCA was coming together for the Volvo Ocean Race

[00:10:58] in 2014-2015 and I can really clearly remember sitting at my desk and just refreshing the web page

[00:11:05] and seeing these women racing around the world and I was like I didn't even know that was a thing.

[00:11:12] I didn't know that was an option a career lifestyle whatever so I basically saw that and I studied

[00:11:19] them and I studied all the people and all the teams and thought wow okay if if I want to do that

[00:11:26] I got to really make a plan here and I have to figure out how I can learn everything I need to learn

[00:11:32] and give it a go. So I gave myself five years to do everything I could and five years later I

[00:11:39] quit my job and went for it and just started sailing full-time and now a few years later here I am

[00:11:46] it's pretty crazy. Well you can always fall back on the infectious diseases part that probably

[00:11:53] stick around for a while. Yeah for sure that was all part of my master plan right but I didn't know

[00:11:59] at that point if I was going to like sailing or be good at it or get injured or whatever and so

[00:12:04] I wanted to make sure that I had something that I could do and earn a living. If sailing didn't work

[00:12:12] out or I didn't enjoy it or whatever. So part of that five year plan did you have

[00:12:18] goals each year? I want to do in short racing, I want to do mat racing, I want to get

[00:12:24] onto this boat, how did that progress? It was less about the sailing piece actually and it was more

[00:12:31] about recognizing well the way that I thought about it was recognizing okay I'm already

[00:12:36] into the sort of medical emergency response piece so I can make sure that I have all of my

[00:12:42] certifications because every at least in the ocean race and on a lot of offshore teams everybody

[00:12:47] needs to have a couple of people on board who are first responders. So I could leverage those

[00:12:53] existing skills and then I used my time with a regular salary to get my US Coast Guard captain's

[00:13:01] license and pay for like foul weather gear, offshore gear so expensive. So invested in a lot of

[00:13:07] those things that would then carry me through the first few years of no income. So I saved as much

[00:13:15] as I could, I sold everything I owned and I the other piece that I really wanted in that time was

[00:13:22] to get a master's degree so that I had a really solid career base that I could come back to.

[00:13:29] You've done a number of interviews and I've always really appreciated the look that you take like

[00:13:35] okay these are the skills that I have, these are the things that I think I'm lacking that's what

[00:13:40] I'm going to focus on to fit. You know I see this opening but these skills need to be had I'm going

[00:13:47] to work at it, get those skills and then move on to the next one. I always thought that was

[00:13:52] a really, really good way to go about it. Yeah for sure it's worked out for me so far I mean I

[00:13:58] started into sailing and pretty quickly recognized that I was physically taller and stronger,

[00:14:04] a lot of that from rowing than many of the women coming out of college sailing so I didn't have the same

[00:14:09] sort of number of hours racing sailboats but I definitely had some other benefits and so

[00:14:16] I didn't just throw myself into trying to drive boats at that time because there were people who

[00:14:21] were better at it and I've always been a pretty strong believer in getting the right people for the

[00:14:25] job and so to me it made more sense to say hey team always need some people to do the grunt work,

[00:14:32] they need people on the bow and those are jobs that I can learn how to do and I did and I started

[00:14:41] just saying yes to every boat, everything anywhere I said yes and my biggest piece of advice I was

[00:14:49] given was to tell people what your dream is and I started telling people and I can remember saying

[00:14:56] it the first time somebody and I thought I sounded insane. Here's this girl who studies infectious

[00:15:03] disease control and she's telling me she wants to go race around the world she's never been off

[00:15:08] shore before, she's like she's never raced sailboats before but I knew that I wanted to do it and

[00:15:16] have figured it out so far, so it's pretty good. I've always said like people in the shop or

[00:15:22] in my kids in general when you get somewhere make yourself indispensable then they can't get rid of

[00:15:30] you so you're right if no one wants to be bowman then get up there and do it and no one wants to

[00:15:35] do it then you've got a job for life and my son plays soccer and it's like be a goalie no one

[00:15:40] wants to be the goalie so be the goalie you'll always be on a team so it's so smart.

[00:15:46] Yeah for sure and it's amazing how much you learn I think all of the guys that I sail with

[00:15:53] on bigger boats now most of them have done almost every position on board and they're better teammates

[00:16:00] they're better sailors because of it they understand everything that needs to happen in a given

[00:16:05] maneuver so they can anticipate much more effectively and they can respond more effectively when

[00:16:10] things don't go well so it's definitely an asset. Yeah before we get into the Americas Cuff can you

[00:16:17] give me a rundown of some of the other classes that you've been a part of? Yeah it's sort of been

[00:16:23] all over the map for me I started doing mostly offshore stuff my goal was always to do the ocean race

[00:16:31] to race around the world on a team particularly enjoying the team piece and that's I like that vibe

[00:16:39] and I started with any boat that I could get onto for delivery so some of it was far 40 some of it were

[00:16:48] TB 52s some of it were like I mean honestly any boat that was doing anything offshore or even near coastal

[00:16:58] um and so I started that way with deliveries and then got a little bit more into team racing a lot

[00:17:04] of yacht clubs especially on the east coast have team racing teams and they always are looking for

[00:17:11] people and there are now a lot of rules that require teams to have women on board so they're always

[00:17:16] looking for women who are available and because I had quit my job I had schedule flexibility so I could

[00:17:21] make it to every practice and I mean like that sounds like such a simple thing but well Cal it makes

[00:17:26] a huge difference if you can keep the same group of people together yeah so I started I moved a

[00:17:32] little bit more from the offshore bigger boat side into sort of team racing type of boats and then

[00:17:40] an opportunity came up for me to jump on a knack for a 17 because again that rowing background

[00:17:46] I was tall and strong it made me pretty good size to be a crew so I assist say okay let's give this

[00:17:54] ago tried that out I learned a huge amount sailing the knackra and sort of starting down that

[00:18:00] Olympic pathway for me ultimately I decided right now I prefer other types of sailing to the

[00:18:07] Olympic piece I love the variety rather than sort of focusing on one class of boat so I moved away

[00:18:16] from that knackra piece and started getting opportunities on higher level TP52 racing in the US

[00:18:23] great lakes 52 circuit a couple of years ago that turned into an opportunity to race in the super

[00:18:30] series and their TP52s which has been unbelievable the level of racing is incredible

[00:18:38] and again just sort of saying yes to every opportunity and making sure that I am the first person

[00:18:43] there the last person to leave like on the person bailing out the build all of that you've definitely

[00:18:49] put yourself in the right spot it over and over again you know so so often people think well

[00:18:59] folks that to get to these places are so lucky you know they hit they they got this break they got

[00:19:04] this break they got this break but what they don't see is you've spent however many years putting

[00:19:10] yourself in that position to to make the most when those opportunities appear and a lot of it like

[00:19:17] you said bailing out villages and not saying no to any any chance to get on the water yeah for sure

[00:19:24] there's any day you get on the water with anybody you will learn something so I've sort of taken it

[00:19:30] that way and like I tend to think that like I'm not too good for any job on any boat like if you need

[00:19:37] me to sweep a courtyard okay great I'll do it and that it's not about the courtyards about showing

[00:19:43] that I'm willing to put in whatever it takes to get the team where it needs to go and for sure

[00:19:48] I've been lucky along the way there I the first real opportunity that I got I had said yes to help

[00:19:55] a team as a sure crew member and M32s that were racing in the US in the winter and one of the guys on

[00:20:02] the team got sick and so they needed somebody to jump on the boat and I had never sailed catamaran I

[00:20:10] had never sailed high performance boats of any kind at that time but I said okay here we go

[00:20:18] they continue make it exactly exactly and that was the first chance I had to race with

[00:20:26] these guys whose names you I had heard and I I got new the people I was stepping on that boat with

[00:20:31] and it was it was so cool and that turned into more chances to stay on the boat admit meant

[00:20:38] that I'm practiced days before races I became somebody who was always on board and that turns into

[00:20:44] chances to race and other people see you and I mean the network the network effect is real so yeah

[00:20:53] just taking it that way. So there's been a huge sea change in respect to women being included

[00:20:59] in top tier racing we first saw in the last lap of the ocean race and now with co-ed crews on board

[00:21:06] and now the america scupper starting the first all women's america scupper's we've been talking about

[00:21:11] what was your reaction to well first of all was this kind of something that was just percolating you

[00:21:15] could hear kind of ground grumbling that this was going to happen and when you when it did happen

[00:21:21] what was your reaction and the kind of the community's reaction to it.

[00:21:26] That's a good question I think it comes up a lot with as race organizers and teams mandate

[00:21:33] having women on board or even incentivize having women on board and certainly the ocean race took

[00:21:39] it with the incentivization scheme the first time around and they said okay if you have a woman on

[00:21:44] board then you get extra crew for example and same is true for youth sailors to try to build a pathway

[00:21:51] into the sport. I wasn't particularly clued into the america scupper world when that announcement came

[00:21:59] out so I didn't I knew there had been youth america's cups before but I was still pretty well

[00:22:05] focused on the ocean race at that time but one of the things that I've learned about the world

[00:22:10] of sailing is that the goal posts are always moving and some like one year they exist and the next

[00:22:16] year they don't the ocean race that I left my job to pursue does not exist anymore. Now it's in

[00:22:24] a completely different class of boat, a completely different type of sailor for the most part

[00:22:29] like it's still offshore sailing for sure but it's a lot more of the shorthanded style.

[00:22:33] It's there now in foiling boats I mean it's it's a different world and so I and this I've just

[00:22:39] taken to being flexible I guess and when that opportunity opened in front of me for hey there's

[00:22:47] going to be this women's team for the america scupper thought okay that would be pretty cool I'd learn

[00:22:52] a lot there for sure and I put my name into the mix and then at least for the way that I guess

[00:23:02] first off I was really lucky to be in a country like the US that had a cup team because there are

[00:23:07] nationality rules so I had to be from the US or have lived in the country for a certain

[00:23:14] amount of days when the last couple of years so I was eligible to be on a team and that was

[00:23:19] the first piece of the puzzle and from there there were a series of triates over a year and a half

[00:23:26] and I made it a priority in my life and my schedule to be able to go to all of those triates.

[00:23:33] I don't think I missed a single one in that whole time and yeah it's come good for me for sure

[00:23:41] in each of those I learned a lot so hopefully that'll help me. So I think a lot of our listeners are

[00:23:48] somewhat familiar with the way that the cup has run now but tell us a little bit about the boats.

[00:23:54] What are you currently going to be racing on? So for this women's and youth

[00:23:59] america scups that are happening in September October 2024 here in Barcelona the boats will be the

[00:24:06] AC 40 so their 40 foot foiling monoholes sailed with four people on board. These are the same boats

[00:24:12] that the america's cup teams raced in Villanova last fall and in Jeddah last winter so they are

[00:24:22] they are cool boats they're really cool boats they're sailed with two drivers and two trimmers

[00:24:27] and there's a main sail down the middle splitting you so the port side of the boat can't see

[00:24:32] anything to starboard and the same is true the starboard side can't see anything to pour. So

[00:24:37] communication is extremely important you're going really fast and you have really fast clothing

[00:24:44] speeds with the other boats so being able to effectively let the other side know hey there's a boat

[00:24:52] coming this is its location this is what you need to do that's a pretty it's a pretty big ask

[00:24:59] for most people are used to sailing on boats where everybody can see the same pieces of information.

[00:25:04] And what speeds what speeds are you talking about? We 20s or 30s or more?

[00:25:11] It depends how much wind there is which is kind of a cop out of an answer but for sure you're hitting

[00:25:16] you're hitting the 30s easily on the upwinds and bearing away 40 plus knots going downwind absolutely

[00:25:23] ripping. What's the what's the right I mean so these four they foiled so they totally come out of

[00:25:29] the water so the I kind of the concept or the dream is that this is just a really smooth ride

[00:25:35] that you're just above the waves what is it like on board is it like being on a like a runaway train?

[00:25:43] I don't know that I would describe it as a smooth ride maybe if it's super flat water sure okay we

[00:25:50] can go with a smooth ride but there's a lot of geForce so every time you go through a tack or a

[00:25:55] jive or a bear away you're getting like seriously pulled in your little cockpit seat so it's a

[00:26:03] different kind of fitness to other sailboats it's definitely a lot more sort of neck and trunk

[00:26:08] strength to hold you against those geForces and it's also the risk when you're going 46 knots and

[00:26:15] use stuff you're going from 46 on to zero really quickly and there's a huge amount of whip lash

[00:26:22] so that is there's some risk some risk there for sure are you strapped into these boats?

[00:26:29] no you are tucked into a little cockpit and you're you're sort of sitting down in your heads

[00:26:35] really low you can you barely see the horizon because you're super arrow so if you kind of jump

[00:26:43] up a wave you lose all the view of what's in front of you it's wild it's interesting that you've taken

[00:26:50] so much excess from your rowing background and being you know physically stronger to something that

[00:26:57] is now there's no grinding involved on these boats right it's all hydraulic correct there's

[00:27:03] no grinding at all and actually I have I mean I don't really do very much grinding on a lot of

[00:27:07] teams sometimes I do a little bit but yeah I would still say getting the right person for the job

[00:27:12] I'd rather a huge guy who was like six foot six in an absolute unit I'd rather have that person

[00:27:19] grind they'll always put out more watts than I will but for these boats yeah it's much more of

[00:27:25] it's more like a video gamer skills the people who are really good at using like video game controllers

[00:27:31] though that pays off in this we've had so I'm much trimmer on the team so I'm controlling the sales

[00:27:38] it's my responsibility and helping the driver steer because they're looking out of the boat and

[00:27:44] talking about tactics and where the other teams are when you're racing and I have a whole button

[00:27:51] panel and a couple of toggle switches controls and I need to be able to change the shape of the sales

[00:27:58] without looking down because every time I look down I you can't steer you can't trim as well

[00:28:06] so it's the amount of communication because you just said your your vision is totally limited you

[00:28:12] can't see the sale and everyone like in low performance sailing you always have people looking over

[00:28:19] the rail looking up at the top of the mass for the amount of communication you have must have between

[00:28:23] you and the crew if you're trimming you really can't see the sales very well that's incredible

[00:28:30] yeah so it's a little bit different than smaller boat sailing because we have a lot of instruments

[00:28:34] and numbers so I can look up and I can see the main sale it's right next to me and I can see when

[00:28:42] I'm to Louird I can see the jib actually pretty well because it's directly in front of me but I have

[00:28:47] a lot of numbers that we're reading out all the time on like actual phone screens and they're giving

[00:28:54] me information about how much load are in like in my difference tools so how much main sheet load there

[00:29:01] is or jib sheet load there is because I don't have a rope to pull on to feel the tension so I have

[00:29:06] a numerical value that I can glance at but the reality is it's still sailing I mean it's it's

[00:29:13] different but it's when you're going up wind you're still sheeting on and you're

[00:29:20] you if you're doing if you're not doing very well it's hard for the driver to drive so that

[00:29:25] comes out pretty quickly and there's not there's actually a surprisingly few calms that go on

[00:29:33] on the boat because you don't need them you're not talking about wind and puffs all the time the

[00:29:39] way you are on a smaller boat everybody can see it and you just execute. Things are happening too

[00:29:47] fast if you were to say puff is happening well there's six other things happening in that same

[00:29:52] moment and you're already past that. Who else makes up the team the the New York club team what

[00:29:59] are their backgrounds and who are the names that are involved. So we have six women who've been named

[00:30:06] to the New York out club American Magic team and they include a lot of Olympian so people like

[00:30:13] Stephanie Robel, Eric Arioniki, Francesca Clapchitch, Helena Scott, myself and Anna Weiss those

[00:30:21] are our six so between the six of us we cover a lot of disciplines of sailing, matricing and team

[00:30:28] racing and ocean racing offshore, inshore foiling not foiling skiffs I mean pretty broad range.

[00:30:39] And the outside of the so does every team that's competing for the America's Cup have a woman's

[00:30:46] team as well? Yes the rule for this America's Cup is that every team for every America's Cup team

[00:30:54] must field a women's team and a youth team. Gotcha. So there are six women's and six youth teams

[00:31:01] that are guaranteed and then I guess an open call went out for applications for other teams to

[00:31:08] apply so there will be 12 women's teams and 12 youth teams racing. Cool as if being on an AC

[00:31:15] team wasn't enough you've also recently jumped into sale GP how did this come about and where did

[00:31:21] you find the free time to add on an entirely new class of vote? Yeah the scheduling program is kind

[00:31:29] of tricky. But last year the US sales GP team was purchased by new a new owner and they're putting

[00:31:39] a new team together so at that point the two guys who put it all together Taylor came field in

[00:31:45] Mike Buckley they gave me a call and they said hey Sarah we're putting a team together I didn't

[00:31:50] really know either of these guys at that point I mean I knew who they were but I hadn't ever sailed

[00:31:54] with them and they asked me to join them so that sale GP is another league that has a requirement

[00:32:01] that when you're racing you must have at least one woman on board. So they were looking for somebody

[00:32:09] for that particular team who could also grind because when it's light wind and sale GP you drop

[00:32:14] down to four sailors on board and you still are required to have a woman so they wanted somebody who

[00:32:21] in the in the lighter air could also grind and put out enough power to trim the wing. So they

[00:32:28] gave me a call and I said okay great I'd love to do that it sounds awesome but just like with anything

[00:32:36] like you got to be super upfront with the commitments you've already made so at that point I'd

[00:32:40] already committed to the women's team for the America's Cup and Mike and Taylor knew that and

[00:32:46] they understood that commitment so they said no worries we're trying to build the team up and

[00:32:54] get enough people that we can sail and everybody has life happening all the time right so

[00:32:59] even if you commit to everything something could come up and you wouldn't be able to make an

[00:33:04] event so you got to build a roster that's deep enough to cover you. So those guys were good with it

[00:33:10] and so I have done the last two events I went to Dubai and then Abu Dhabi and this weekend actually

[00:33:17] is Sydney and so I'm in Barcelona right now with American Magic and Anna Weiss another one of the

[00:33:24] women on the women's team is actually in Sydney racing this weekend. You couldn't make it there's

[00:33:29] just a quick hop and a jump from Barcelona. Yes super easy short flight no problem. Puddle jumper

[00:33:36] puddle jumper. Yeah exactly. We've been wanting to talk to someone on sale GP because I mean

[00:33:41] I've watched the races online and I've truly enjoyed them they're just really cool. Talk to something

[00:33:48] so it's also yes it's still racing, it's still foiling but it's completely different boats

[00:33:53] outside of the monahole and Cadamaran what are the difference between the AC 40s and the F50s

[00:33:59] one of the big differences especially in my role with the sale GP team is the grinding so there

[00:34:05] is a physical physical element to that it is you gotta be really strong and bit and you're also

[00:34:13] crossing the boat. So there's a lot of stability that's required to get across a moving unstable platform

[00:34:21] so that's a big piece of it and it's its wing sale so it's not a traditional soft

[00:34:29] material main sale it's literally more like an airplane wing but standing straight up in the air

[00:34:35] which is a cool other piece of technology but the racing is I mean it's really good racing

[00:34:43] it's it's hard racing when teams win they did a really good job during that win for sure.

[00:34:51] Is fleet racing as chaotic in real life that is it is like watching online?

[00:34:58] It certainly can be yeah it's one of those funny things where when you're when you are racing

[00:35:06] you are prioritizing you have to there's too many variables and there's too much happening

[00:35:11] so you kind of pick and choose the things that seem most important whether that's your opponent

[00:35:16] who's really close to you or a particular wind shift or which mark you want to go to

[00:35:22] but sometimes it's not the right call like sometimes you miss something and that's part of the deal

[00:35:26] and and one thing that has been great about sailing with those guys in the US team is definitely

[00:35:32] there's an attitude of the race is not over until it's over and I think and that's really important

[00:35:39] and anybody and any competitive team anything can happen especially in sailboat racing I mean

[00:35:44] easily the boat in the lead there could be some crazy wind shift but they could also break

[00:35:48] something they could cap size they could anything could happen so the door is always open

[00:35:53] if you're pushing the whole way around. Yeah the the starts the sale GP starts around that first

[00:35:59] mark which is to like what is it like a thousand meters away 1500 meters away?

[00:36:03] the length of the reach mark changes depending on where you're racing and what the course size

[00:36:08] is the course there's it's always different it's not like a traditional one. It's not a standard

[00:36:12] yeah but that that first couple minutes or that first minute let's say because it's so fast

[00:36:18] is so insane I mean it's just absolutely insane. Yeah it's there's a lot going on and if you can get

[00:36:25] a good spot on the line I mean honestly like any boat if you could be on the line on time at speed

[00:36:32] you're launched. How many teams are in the sale GP races? There are 10 teams. Okay

[00:36:38] you've you've mentioned physical fitness being a huge part of not only your rowing but as you've

[00:36:43] moved through classes and I have to imagine that each class that you participate in it's a little

[00:36:49] differently said you know you're grinding with sale GP onto at times AC cup is more just core strength

[00:36:55] so your head doesn't fall off but how big of a part of modern racing is the physical fitness program.

[00:37:06] I think it's probably different for everybody every type of boat they're racing and what they're

[00:37:11] trying to achieve I found that it was it was one of those things that I first identified about

[00:37:16] myself back when I had the desk job where I said okay I am strong in fit so I'm going to make it my

[00:37:24] business to be as strong and as fit as I can be. I know I'm competing with guys a lot of the time so

[00:37:32] I need to be able to move the sales I need to and that has sort of been my approach to it but

[00:37:39] there are also sailors like Samantha Davies she sails the amokas out of France offshore around the world

[00:37:46] sailor she's like a pretty small human not that she's not fit but she's like quite a bit shorter

[00:37:53] than me and she doesn't have the same amount of power but she's racing around the world alone like

[00:37:59] it's it's not about like size is not a limiting factor I guess it's what I'm saying that you can

[00:38:04] you can absolutely make it work and she's got systems that work for her on her boat she's still

[00:38:10] grinding on that boat so it's uh for sure the options exist it's just been something for me that it

[00:38:16] was I was born with a taller body so I could leverage that. What's your what's your day

[00:38:24] like how on like on water time and in the gym time in the classroom I don't know I mean you must

[00:38:30] have film because you get everything is recorded all the data comes down and you must have sit down

[00:38:36] and have like film sessions yeah for sure there's a lot of there's a lot of data like it's actually

[00:38:43] an insane amount but part of the art of it is figuring out what's important what are you looking at

[00:38:48] why are you looking at it what are you trying to achieve that is there's definitely an art there

[00:38:54] more than the science of data analytics um but I don't really have a typical day I'm traveling a

[00:39:00] lot still with the different teams that I'm on because the America's Cup sailing is not full-time

[00:39:05] yet and that's not going to be a full-time thing for the women in youth until later this summer so I'm

[00:39:12] still able to compete with the TP52 Super Series team quantum racing this year um so I can

[00:39:20] I'm coming and going from Barcelona when I'm here so right now I have two weeks here at home which

[00:39:26] is so nice it's amazing and those are the times when I'm able to be more regularly in the gym

[00:39:34] and kind of try try to build strength as opposed to just trying not to lose it

[00:39:39] which is a lot of what I do when I'm traveling but I we also have we have a simulator for the

[00:39:45] AC40 sailboat so it's time in the simulator we can schedule it and next week actually a lot

[00:39:52] of the women are coming in and we'll have a whole week in the simulator training in that way

[00:40:00] so that'll be a lot of hours indoors basically playing video games like a really cool video game

[00:40:05] but it definitely you become like an indoor kid for a week and we will be watching video debriefs and

[00:40:15] seeing how much we can learn before we have the chance to get everybody out on the boat regularly this

[00:40:20] summer what's the schedule for the Puigwomen's America's Cup are your preregadas like we've seen

[00:40:26] when recently and um and then when does racing start for for you all actually also are they fleet

[00:40:33] races or are they mat races so the racing for both the women and the youth will be both fleet

[00:40:41] racing and mat racing it will begin as a fleet racing setup same kind of racing that anybody who

[00:40:48] saw the Villanova and Jeddah regottas with the Cup teams it'll be like that except there'll be six

[00:40:53] boats racing at a time um and there'll be a bit of a bracket so as I mentioned before there are 12

[00:40:58] teams in the women's and the youth cup um so there'll be a 12 boat bracket and then as you move

[00:41:05] through the bracket it's fleet racing until you get to the finals at which point it becomes a

[00:41:10] mat racing final so the youth cup starts in mid-September and the women's cup starts at the beginning of

[00:41:16] October and is the youth cup coed it there's not a rule requiring it's be coed it is just it's a

[00:41:25] getting younger sailors gotcha you obviously have had a big year and it's really just getting started

[00:41:31] but have have you let yourself think about what the next step is after the cup what what direction

[00:41:38] are you gonna head uh that is a great question uh i'm my i'm keeping it open where we go after

[00:41:48] the cup for sure i i'm pretty focused on the cup right now mentally that's my brain goes as far

[00:41:55] as October which actually is further ahead than i usually think to be quite honest my life seems

[00:42:02] to operate on like a couple months at a time but uh once we get to the cup i don't know what'll

[00:42:08] happen next who know i don't know and also depending on who wins the cup the next cup could look

[00:42:13] very different so i would love there to be an america's cup with women on board not just a

[00:42:21] women's america's cup but cup team sailors that are women um and the experience that all of these

[00:42:28] women are gaining over this next few months in these boats with cup teams i mean it's incredible they

[00:42:35] absolutely could be assets to a cup team in the future now that they've entered the world of the

[00:42:40] america's cup and begun to learn what it's all about so i'd love to see that and potentially

[00:42:45] i mean i'd love to be on a team for that i also would still love to race around the world

[00:42:51] i've never crossed an ocean so i really would like to do a transatlantic race and smash it um

[00:42:59] so i've got a few few list items uh we'll see what happens you don't think the AC-40 can make it

[00:43:05] transatlantic wouldn't be that great in some of those oceans swell no place for the snacks

[00:43:12] i just oh there's a place for the snacks that's the least of problems i was fortunate enough to

[00:43:19] i happened to attend a dinner right around the before the first uh iteration in newsealand

[00:43:25] the the cup races in the 75s and it was right after one of the Italian team members said something

[00:43:32] about no women can't do this woman can't uh race in these ac 75s and i happened to be sitting next

[00:43:39] to dawn riley who i mentioned it to her and i thought i mean she was going to come out of her skit

[00:43:46] she was really pissed about that and i i grew with you there's the only way you make it happen is

[00:43:51] to say do it because uh i think it's it's such an opportunity for to open up the sailing world to

[00:43:58] a huge amount of population it'd be great yeah it would be amazing and now the reality is

[00:44:04] we can measure everything so uh we can we can literally put numbers to my my job that i'm doing

[00:44:13] as a trimmer compared to any guy in the america scup you can measure it you can know who does better

[00:44:18] so you remove the piece about male female completely and it just becomes who makes the boat sail

[00:44:25] faster and that's all you're trying to do get around the track first so um that that changes it a lot

[00:44:32] it's seat racing back into rowing days it's seat racing that's actually backed by data not just by

[00:44:38] a result it's awesome yeah it's cool and for sure there's an x factor to it a teamwork piece where

[00:44:43] you got to have the right group of people uh on the boat because it's in practice that's one thing but

[00:44:50] in racing it's it's a totally different game so and it's hard to simulate that but for sure

[00:44:56] there's a lot of stuff we can measure and now after this women's and youth cup i i think

[00:45:03] teams would be crazy to not look at the women who are coming out of this there are some

[00:45:08] unreal sailors so how do we follow you on your adventures and travel around the world as you

[00:45:14] sail and compete uh probably the best way to follow me is on instagram uh like it is for so many

[00:45:21] people so my instagram is sarah dot or sarah b underscore stone then obviously the new york york club

[00:45:28] their instagram and also uh clgp's instagram too you can catch them uh catch some glimpses of you

[00:45:34] flying at 40 50 knots run it out the the course yeah for sure and as this summer comes around

[00:45:41] there'll be photos on the quantum racing instagram and the 52 super series all over the place

[00:45:46] awesome sarah thank you so much for taking the time uh really appreciate it uh this has been

[00:45:51] fascinating to talk to you about thank you guys very much for talking to me it's great

[00:46:03] uh

[00:46:10] welcome back to round the doing a huge thank you uh to sarah obviously she is a busy person

[00:46:17] and thank you for uh sitting sitting down with us for about 45 minutes uh an amazing interview and

[00:46:23] again we are struck by so many of our professional athletes Tyler they know what they want

[00:46:29] and they know how or they find a way to get it and that is exactly what she did she kind of just

[00:46:35] entails well i just love the the idea that she was open to every opportunity that was so big to not

[00:46:45] say no to a chance to be on the water and i think it's huge that she looked at each of these programs

[00:46:51] each of the the goals that she wanted to achieve and say not just this is what i want to do i'm

[00:46:57] gonna do it but looking at those programs looking at each of the sailors seeing the strengths and maybe

[00:47:04] the the areas where gills were lacking and making herself the best fit for that so looking at a program

[00:47:12] seeing what help they needed and being that person and i think that's huge yeah well she she said

[00:47:18] it uh at one point in the interview or she said it at one point in the interview that she is not

[00:47:24] above any job on the boat and that is such an amazing uh frame of mind to go into a boat like that where

[00:47:35] she's clearly a very good sailor but maybe they needed again a bowman and that job is awful you are

[00:47:42] just soaking wet all the time it's dangerous it's rough but if that's what the boat needed

[00:47:47] she was gonna do that and that's just that's an incredible trick to have as you're trying to break

[00:47:53] into and again she anything not just sail anything not just anything yeah yeah i and i i i said it

[00:47:59] in the interview and i will say it again i say to all of new employees at ease passage or people

[00:48:05] i'm talking to are asking about advice is that find a way to become indispensable because if you

[00:48:11] find a way to be indispensable they can't get rid of you and so if she can do everything on the boat

[00:48:17] she's so uh and that will make go back to the Patriots the the best ability is availability she's

[00:48:24] there she knows how to do the job but i i a really cool interview and the only thing i'm kind of

[00:48:31] bummed with myself that i didn't ask was as you're walking around barcelona is it barcelona

[00:48:38] or is it button uh no no man what you asking you should have asked if you ever caught a boot

[00:48:46] ha ha ha get on that was so last episode man move away move on from that you need into the news

[00:48:52] topics today i didn't ever think that i would talk about a topic like the immaculate conception of a

[00:49:00] stingray this really this got me i i saw this this this this headline came through and i'm like hmm

[00:49:08] that is that's interesting uh a round stingray named charlotte in north in an north carolina aquarium

[00:49:16] has apparently become pregnant even though she is only with females in the tank and she's been in

[00:49:22] this tank for the last eight years so many questions so many questions part of the story is what i don't

[00:49:31] understand why don't understand any of it but the the first explanation of how she became pregnant

[00:49:40] makes no sense to anybody but that's the one they went with right quite some time uh so they

[00:49:45] discovered that she was pregnant because she had a lump on her that everyone at the all the um

[00:49:52] marine biologist thought was a cancerous tumor and they did an ultrasound on her and they found out

[00:49:58] it was actually four eggs so from this two theories came up the first one was that somehow

[00:50:06] she was impregnated by a male shark that was in the tank at the same time they did find

[00:50:14] a bite mark in her which is very common in breeding time with sharks on female sharks uh so they're

[00:50:23] like well that's interesting uh and then but then they immediately said but that's not actually

[00:50:30] possible and the one of the articles i read it made the comparison to 45 million years ago was about

[00:50:39] the last time dogs and cats were genetically similar enough to that they that's what they said

[00:50:45] dengue and the shark you'd have to go back 300 million you know the thought of

[00:50:53] having a half stingray half shark is kind of like the ligor or what do they they brought a wolf

[00:51:01] and a line together in the article which is just crazy wolf in or something like that

[00:51:06] wolf and i i can't understand how they didn't go with the ligor it's way more popular and

[00:51:12] immediately the theme from Napoleon dynamite should have started playing like a vote for Pedro

[00:51:19] shirt should have been on that stingray they missed such a chance for some easy marketing

[00:51:25] the other theory which at first at first blush is equally as far fetched but has also been

[00:51:33] proven in in the past is called pathodine though right well let's get into it it's called

[00:51:41] pathogenesis and it's literally translated from Latin as virgin birth we've everyone who's seen

[00:51:49] Jurassic Park knows it can happen because that's what happened in Jurassic Park i missed that how

[00:51:54] it i don't Jurassic Park it was done by the scientist at Jurassic Park it wasn't just a natural like

[00:52:01] in the wild thing no but but they if you remember they they because they modified or they mutated

[00:52:08] all the eggs so every dinosaur on that island was female but then they find the i think it was a

[00:52:17] stegosaurus who's lying down and it was uh and they're like oh it's pregnant and like how's that

[00:52:23] possible and then uh dr. Malcolm or Malcolm Jeff Goldblum then says life figures out a way to happen

[00:52:31] and essentially what happens is that you have a female that recreates a cell in her body and

[00:52:39] that cell divides and next thing you know and not listen i'm not i'm not a marine biologist

[00:52:45] i don't even play a lot of fun we go from a to z there without any sort of explanation

[00:52:51] and i get it we're that's let's just assume that somewhere in the aquarium Jeff Goldblum is

[00:52:58] wearing a pair of leather pants and so on glasses and this all makes sense it's all makes sense so we

[00:53:03] jump from directly to z it has happened before um in 2001 there was a hammerhead shark that was

[00:53:10] documented that it had it uh parthogenesis it it had a baby a hammerhead shark baby um it's never been

[00:53:20] documented in round stingrays like Charlotte before but it is possible they do say if this does

[00:53:27] happen that the uh the offspring is not as genetically strong and as a the article the person

[00:53:35] the the lead biologist said it's a highly imbred individual which i thought was a really cool

[00:53:42] that's a great thing i'm sorry i'm a man Jonah per overall and say that why not okay you can tell

[00:53:49] yeah um but what's the really interesting part and this is where we get into the um

[00:53:56] stingray jesus and mori povich is that the charlotte as this article this article is written early

[00:54:02] February so we actually should have an answer now we are going to have like a mori povich style

[00:54:08] um who the fought who's the who's the father reading at some point in this aquarium and we're

[00:54:14] gonna find out is it a shark? a really guilty looking lobster in the corner of that tank right now

[00:54:21] well i don't know if stingrays and lobsters or ever connected at some point

[00:54:25] well let's go back 300 million years and you tell me yeah we all like billion we can go billions

[00:54:31] back and find out we came from the same protozoa it does happen in the i mean it's it's been noted

[00:54:36] that it happens in the wild reptiles once no no no in there's the one the one it exactly happened

[00:54:45] all those articles was the hammerhead shark in 2001 but it also in reptiles and fish and also insects

[00:54:51] if they are living in environments with now no males and they talked about in the deep deep deep

[00:54:57] as part of the ocean where it's incredibly harsh and they're all alone it is it has happened

[00:55:03] it happens in reptiles more frequently than and so it's it's a thing i mean they have a word for

[00:55:12] it makes it a thing Tyler the deep dark recesses of the ocean yep we're no one's there to see it

[00:55:18] no one's there to see it it's it's a very interesting story and i am sure that within probably

[00:55:25] as of right now as of this recording on February 27th at 936 pm it's probably giving birth right now

[00:55:33] yeah it probably is we're probably ready to go but we'll find out we'll have to obviously check

[00:55:38] back with this one because they can do genetic testing on the baby stingrays cells and find out

[00:55:45] a is it a shark is it a shark ray or is it a because it's not they were very clear saying it's

[00:55:52] not a clone this is not a clone of it it is an offspring it truly is an offspring so we'll find out

[00:56:00] yeah i really like that they point out that it's not going to be genetically diverse

[00:56:05] well they're very good swimmers well clearly webtoves in everything oh i can't talk about banjos

[00:56:11] but you can talk about web feet and so we will definitely update on on charlatan see what's

[00:56:20] going on there but we move on to the solution to one of the world's greatest mysteries ever

[00:56:28] Amelia Earhart's plane has potentially been found potentially is a key word the biggest word

[00:56:35] capitalized word in this one so i'm sure everyone knows but if you don't know Amelia Earhart

[00:56:41] she was a superstar um she was an adventurer she was a fashion icon uh she was a role model to many

[00:56:49] and she was going to attempt to be the first woman to fly around the world uh she departed

[00:56:55] Miami on june 1st it was her and her uh navigator this dude named newnan um they left Miami

[00:57:05] and they flew east over the Atlantic through a uh to africa all through africa through the

[00:57:13] middle east and into india and then through india down Malaysia time or Malaysia area

[00:57:21] to australia made it out to pop a negine if we had a budget in the background there would be

[00:57:27] that kasa blanca style moan like big town Taj i was gonna save the indiana jones marina rana's

[00:57:34] the lost arc yeah right where that's flying through with little arrows and the little strings and all

[00:57:38] that yeah so we don't have to just in your mind envision that yeah so she was in pop anaginine uh

[00:57:44] and she was going to be flying from pop anaginine all the way over to howland island which you

[00:57:49] imagine the pacific this vast vast area it's about halfway between hawaii and uh pop anaginine

[00:57:57] it's a small tiny tiny little atoll named howland island and she was attempting to fly there

[00:58:03] it's 2200 nautical miles away uh there was a coast guard ship that was stationed just off the island

[00:58:10] to help her to help guide her to find it and guide her into it um but she never arrived

[00:58:17] and no one knows what's happened no one's that happened to her and what happened to the plane

[00:58:21] also to newnan uh and it truly has spawned one of the biggest mysteries in all of all of history

[00:58:28] well anyways we'll get into a couple of the um in spinox conspiracy there's put some of the theories

[00:58:33] that go into but let's talk about tony romio uh he's a real estate investor from north carolina

[00:58:40] he funded a mission or he funded an expedition through his business called deep sea vision um and it

[00:58:49] was a uh three-month expedition on a hundred-foot boat they're going to be scanning the area around

[00:58:57] howland island a total of 5200 square miles which again and you think that in the vastness of

[00:59:04] the pacific it's just a small little postage stamp but that's going to take a ton of time to do

[00:59:09] they had a drone sonar that they're in a tow behind and take pictures of some pretty detailed

[00:59:16] pictures at the bottom there's really not much in the bottom out there it's just sand um and it's

[00:59:21] just just there's very little in terms of like rocks and everything so it's going to be pretty obvious

[00:59:26] something jumps out and boom as they started looking at this stuff i think it was when they were home

[00:59:32] it wasn't on the boat they found a an image that is very similar to her aircraft that she was flying in

[00:59:41] the the locky the lecture is a unique looking aircraft at the back of the airplane

[00:59:47] the tail section there was actually two vertical stabilizers so it sets it apart a little bit so

[00:59:53] when you look at the sonar image you do see the normal main wing the fuselage and then at the

[01:00:01] tail section i can be convinced that there are two vertical stabilizers in the picture i totally

[01:00:07] agree and i also think looking at the pictures or looking at the sonar um the wings

[01:00:15] seem a little too swept back they were they were partially swept the the electric ten the

[01:00:20] the wings were partially swept where they were straight uh they weren't swept back they were

[01:00:25] directly out from the plane but they were tapered at the end kind of like a triangle uh i would

[01:00:30] imagine hitting the ocean at 150 knots or probably probably landed they probably landed like not

[01:00:38] landed but they probably took it down kind of like selly did warts on its belly and so it probably

[01:00:44] was floating for a little while maybe but the the supposed wreck is also at 16,000

[01:00:55] of depth and for context the Titanic is at 12,000 feet so we're we're deep they're going to have

[01:01:03] to go back out with um more drones with cameras and video capability actually go down

[01:01:09] and not only see that it's um an aircraft but what aircraft if it is an aircraft and then

[01:01:18] at that depth thing should probably be fairly well preserved and they're looking for the tail

[01:01:23] number or i believe that her registration number was on the main wings are in self so yeah correct

[01:01:30] there's a lot of identifying pieces to it but it's also it was painted the leading edge of the

[01:01:36] wings were painted this really there's like day glow red so it should be very easy to prove

[01:01:43] that this is a million air hearts plane if it is well i what i'm having trouble is world war two

[01:01:51] we sent a lot of stuff down to the bottom of the ocean right there in the south Pacific and how

[01:01:59] they only like is this just the one spot where we didn't sink anything for them to be able to

[01:02:06] search for nearly 30 days and not come up with a single interesting sonar hit just that was

[01:02:13] surprising to me so it's put it in context they were scanning 5,200 square miles and

[01:02:21] that's basically the size of like Connecticut and Rhode Island put together and put that out

[01:02:27] in the middle of the Pacific Ocean this is still an incredibly small

[01:02:31] posted stamp to be searching and yes we were the Pacific was in an incredibly um hard fought battle

[01:02:38] there was a ton of stuff sent into the bottom but a lot of that was more towards

[01:02:43] the the island chains that are further or closer to Australia pop and dig in the new caledonia all

[01:02:51] those islands and not necessarily halfway in between Hawaii and Australia where where howland island is

[01:03:00] so yes we weren't as constant i just don't think the the ships going down the planes going down

[01:03:06] were as concentrated are i think if you go down obviously in the areas of Guadalajara and Tarwa and

[01:03:12] all that yes there's going to be a ton of stuff on the bottom but this is still in the middle of nowhere

[01:03:19] so that's my first that my my initial thought on that is that is on this is that

[01:03:24] i mean it's gonna be interesting and i they're obviously they have kept the location for the time being

[01:03:30] until they can go back out neither confirm or or sort out what that actually is um but that's

[01:03:37] going to be coming in the future i don't imagine it's gonna be too much longer but it's probably

[01:03:42] a few months he said it was going to be end of the year beginning of 25 it was when they were

[01:03:47] going to go back out and start verifying again with like drones with color photos and stuff like that

[01:03:54] so yeah so we should find out within another year or so but there's let's talk about the ideas

[01:04:01] not everyone's convinced that she made it close to howl and island the idea or i guess the

[01:04:07] the leading theory is that she did run out of gas there was a navigational error done by the new

[01:04:14] and the navigator who forgot to take in effect or take into account the crossing of the international

[01:04:22] date line which would have put them about 60 nautical miles off and this wreck was found about 100

[01:04:29] miles off and the wreck was about found about 100 miles off from the island so there were radio

[01:04:34] there were radio transmissions that were recorded from the u.s. coast guard ship in the area of

[01:04:39] howl and island which would suggest that they were close but then you also say you've got a navigator

[01:04:47] who's three quarters away around the world for the first time this guy knew what he was doing and

[01:04:53] this seems like a really stupid clerical error show why would such an experienced navigator have

[01:05:00] made this error we don't really know that they factored in a ton of different things of

[01:05:05] he was stressful he'd been long end of a long flight he might have been tired or just not and

[01:05:11] it's just a simple error so there's endless theories on what happened i mean i remember one

[01:05:19] when i was growing up where they found it wasn't howl and island there's another island somewhere

[01:05:25] near there that was another option but they found a leather shoe at some point that was somewhat

[01:05:31] close to a period shoe from the 1930s and they had surmised that was new nines and that Amelia and

[01:05:42] Fred had crash landed on the island survived and then died of old age on the island um i mean i think

[01:05:49] there was endless tv specials unsolved mysteries kind of stuff where they came up with any sort of

[01:05:58] hint of an idea well it's interesting that you talk about them landing safely on an island and

[01:06:02] living just at an old age there have been remains pulled from an island in the psao Pacific or in

[01:06:09] that area and when the first tests were done on the bones everyone thought that these could

[01:06:18] that the bones would not be a bones of a woman because they were taller there was some

[01:06:25] just traits about them that didn't make necessarily sense to scientists at the time

[01:06:30] and they're going back and we're looking at those bones maybe they were a bones of Amelia

[01:06:35] error heart that's why that's a really interesting point yes they could have landed on another island

[01:06:40] there are other islands in the area and just lived out their life and died at old age like gilligan's

[01:06:47] island that was within the last couple of years right i remember something about that but i think

[01:06:52] the one that has caught most traction recently was the the documentary that came out that said she had

[01:07:02] crash landed and been taken by the Japanese yes was i did you watch that documentary i have not

[01:07:09] seen the document have you i think i did and i think it boiled down to there's one photograph

[01:07:16] of a Japanese camp and in the it's not even a photograph of her specifically but in the

[01:07:25] background of the photograph there's a person who looks somewhat similar to what Amelia

[01:07:34] error heart would have looked like from 30 feet away well it leading up to the war i mean the war

[01:07:39] didn't start for another 10 years at this point but the Japanese were obviously very active in

[01:07:45] expanding their their empire throughout the south pacific so it would not be uncommon that they

[01:07:51] would be there that that certainly happened and there's also evidence that the they talk about in

[01:07:58] the documentary that the u.s. government knew that she was captive by the Japanese and decided

[01:08:06] to keep that hush hush hush but that the u.s. government knew that she was captured but this is an

[01:08:12] absolutely fascinating story i love this stuff this is i think if it if it is what an amazing find

[01:08:21] i mean talk about needle in the haystack what an amazing find at the same time if we can find

[01:08:28] a 40 foot locky tolectra at the bottom of the pacific how can we not find something like

[01:08:36] mh370 the Malaysian airliner that was lost and you know we've got much more information as to it's

[01:08:43] track it just seems like maybe we could focus on that one i think that solving that one would be

[01:08:50] more beneficial than finding thread in amelia amelia and fret let's give a meal a top billing on this one

[01:08:58] you really have this thing against Fred don't you?

[01:09:02] you haven't even you have not even you didn't even include his first name it was just when you

[01:09:06] have a name newnan your if your last name is newnan you're going to be hey newnan you've been listening

[01:09:12] to that sign filled pocket that's newman newnan newnan's for catty shack

[01:09:21] that's not nice no catty shack is not nice it's a very fun and moving all right well that about wraps

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