Ep. 90: 76 Days Adrift

[00:00:26] Welcome back to Around the Buoy, broadcasting from the East Passage Fault Rite Studios. I'm Carter Richardson and I'm here with Tyler Fields of Tyler Fields Photography. Tyler, happy fall slash winters. We're not really sure, is it summer? What the hell's going on out there?

[00:00:43] Well, and amazingly enough, it seems to me that my year kind of just keeps going a little bit more and a little bit more. And I had a, it's November 23rd as we record. No, excuse me. It's November 24th as we record this. And I had a kind of a last minute brokerage shoot in Newport yesterday.

[00:01:08] You know, it's, it's cold out there and it was blowing. I don't know, 30, 30 plus in the harbor. And the boat that I was going out to shoot was the last one in the mooring field. And it took about 15 different favors to actually get out to the boat. And, but we got it done and we survived, but it was, it was getting cold out there.

[00:01:32] It's, but it's been an, and really bizarre for everyone here in the Northeast. If you're listening in Australia, it's really nice and warm down there. Congratulations. But for, for those of us in the Northeast, we've had an absolutely beautiful fall. It has just been gorgeous. And I've got a client that I was selling him a 12 and a half and that we were waiting for the deal to get done. And he's like, let's get this thing done. Cause I still got.

[00:01:57] A couple of weeks of sailing out there. And this was like early November and it just was, it, it never ended. We went, I think two months with no rain here in new England. And then all of a sudden this bomb cyclone that came out of the West hit us.

[00:02:13] And we descend into, you know, overcast gray, 40 degrees rain, lots of wind. And it overnight turned into kind of that crappy fall late fall.

[00:02:26] Yeah. I'm happy. I'm happy. We got a little rain because there's been brush fires here around Providence quite a bit lately. And so it'd be nice to have a little bit of moisture in the ground, but I'm not saying I'm upset that fall has finally arrived, but it is certainly a change.

[00:02:44] Yeah. We just backed in, we just backed in the last boat in the shop, uh, Caprice, which is a boat that comes out of the Cape. We're going to do some work on her just backed into the shop.

[00:02:53] And that kind of signifies, all right, all the boats are in the sheds, close the sheds down. We'll start working on them in the springtime, but now our winter has started. So it's, it's very, uh, it's very, uh, very convenient that the weather turns literally as the last boat comes to the sheds. That's good news.

[00:03:10] But it's impossible to get into that fall winter rhythm where you just kind of hunker down and get to work when it's 80 degrees.

[00:03:20] You're going back and forth between 40 and 75 every other day. You cannot get into, all right, I'm just going to put my head down and get to work. You can't, it's impossible.

[00:03:32] So that is really nice about the kind of the mid winter months into January and February, where you get the shop, you arrive and it's dark and you get to work and then you leave and it's dark, but you have like, you can see the task in front of you.

[00:03:46] And there's no, like, you don't want to go outside because it's miserable. That's a, that's a good point. Tyler, you're, you're way smarter than you.

[00:03:52] I have the memory of an elderly goldfish and every year it slaps me in the face of what winter in new England actually is. I just forget every summer how difficult that March timeframe into February, March into April, because it's just, it stays winter for some strange reason.

[00:04:16] And we get those instead of having 75 degree days in November, we get into April and we have snow or just a week of cold and rain. And it gets you, it gets you one way or another.

[00:04:32] Yeah. And speaking of in predictability, our, our vaulted return to the theater just got shot.

[00:04:44] Shut up. What are the chances? Jane Pickens theater has been around since about the time of talkies.

[00:04:52] Christopher Columbus found the new world and, and for it to fail on our movie night, it's just bad luck, bad luck, bad luck, but never fear.

[00:05:04] We will reschedule. It's going to be sometime probably late January, early February, which is a really good time to be watching a movie about underwater submarines and like cozy cold and like just draw yourself in.

[00:05:18] Um, so we will reschedule, uh, hunt for it.

[00:05:21] And, uh, in the January, February timeframe, I got to get back to Jane Pickens about that so we can reschedule and make sure we get that moving on.

[00:05:28] We've been trying to do this movie for the longest time.

[00:05:32] And, uh, this is one of the first movies we talked about doing in the early days.

[00:05:37] I mean, the hunt for red October has been trying to find the perfect combination of episode to work it through time with Jane Pickens.

[00:05:49] I mean, it's, it's been, it's been a struggle, but we'll get it done.

[00:05:54] Yeah, we'll get it done.

[00:05:54] We'll get it done.

[00:05:56] But let's get on to this episode.

[00:05:58] We've got a couple news topics to, uh, talk about.

[00:06:01] We're going to get a little update on to the search for Amelia Earhart and then, uh, SailGP just, just opened up their season.

[00:06:08] And we're going to talk about that.

[00:06:09] Uh, but before we get all to our news items, um, Tyler, we've talked about this on the podcast quite a few times, especially like when, uh, the fight or die rowers that ended up in their life raft for what was only about 36 hours.

[00:06:25] And, uh, and about the, the absolute helplessness of being lost at sea.

[00:06:30] And there's a new documentary out that, uh, I had the pleasure and the, uh, I was fortunate enough to go see it at our Jane Pickens theater.

[00:06:38] Uh, it's called 76 days adrift.

[00:06:40] Uh, it's about a true story about Stephen Callahan, um, who was sailing across the Atlantic and he was forced into his life raft and he survived for 76 days going across the Atlantic before he was finally.

[00:06:54] Uh, discovered or finally saved.

[00:06:57] We were fortunate enough to have a pre-screening copy and we're able to watch the film and it is incredible.

[00:07:03] And we are really excited to be talking to one of the producers of the film about Stephen Callahan, his incredible story.

[00:07:10] And also kind of the behind the scenes of how a documentary like this is put together.

[00:07:16] And we'll be back right after this break.

[00:07:21] Earlier this fall, I was fortunate enough to get a seat in our favorite theater, Jane Pickens, for the sold out showing of the astonishing story of one man's survival at sea.

[00:07:43] 76 days adrift chronicles the events of Stephen Callahan as he confronts the insurmountable odds of staying alive in his life raft long enough to be rescued after his boat sank off the African coast.

[00:07:54] The movie continues to captivate packed theaters and it's as it tours the country.

[00:07:59] And we're excited to sit down with the film's executive producer, Rob Sennett, to talk about Stephen's harrowing tale.

[00:08:05] Rob, welcome to Round the Bowie and thanks for coming on the show.

[00:08:08] Carter, thanks so much for you and Tyler to have me on.

[00:08:11] I, I'm really looking forward to our talk here.

[00:08:14] Fantastic.

[00:08:15] All right.

[00:08:15] So before we get too far into sea stories, because we all love sea stories, let's talk about some of the previous work you've done.

[00:08:21] One I think that many of our local listeners would be interested in is the 2019 documentary WBCN and the American Revolution.

[00:08:30] What made this Boston radio station WBCN so important?

[00:08:36] Well, one thing is I volunteered there in 1970 to 1972.

[00:08:42] I started when I was in high school and finished up there when I was at my first year in Boston at Boston College.

[00:08:50] What made that station so important was that it was a time capsule.

[00:08:56] Our first day of existence was March 15th, 1968.

[00:09:02] And we, our first song was Cream, I Feel Free.

[00:09:09] And it's this wonderful start, right?

[00:09:11] And it started very, almost secretively.

[00:09:18] The fellow that was the owner of the station was smart.

[00:09:22] His name is, it was Ray Reapen.

[00:09:26] He was from Kansas City.

[00:09:27] He came to study at Harvard, looked around and there was, there was zero music in Boston.

[00:09:33] And he knew that he had a huge audience.

[00:09:35] It was the largest student audience in the country, if not the world.

[00:09:39] You know, 250, 300,000 college students were musicless.

[00:09:44] So he, I can't imagine that because Boston right now is such a thriving music scene.

[00:09:50] That's incredible that it was a wasteland.

[00:09:52] But when he came in 67, leading up to him, you know, almost being forced to open this radio station, it was just bubblegum AM music.

[00:10:04] There was no, FM was really, really early and was very, you know, wasn't existing with the exception of classical music.

[00:10:13] And WBCN is named for the Boston Concert Network, which was a well-respected but very bankrupt classical music station where Ray came in and convinced the station to give him dead air.

[00:10:31] They were off the air from 10 until 6 a.m.

[00:10:36] Their air was dead.

[00:10:38] So Ray said, well, give us that space.

[00:10:41] So we started at 10 and ran until about 6 in the morning.

[00:10:45] And it was amazing what happened because once we were on, people heard it.

[00:10:51] And it was just a sea change as far as music goes.

[00:10:55] We were playing, you know, all these great songs back then and songs that you really couldn't hear unless you were listening to BCN.

[00:11:02] So it formed this consciousness in the community, which was very important.

[00:11:08] Where can people watch that?

[00:11:09] Is it streaming?

[00:11:10] Yeah, it's available on Amazon.

[00:11:12] If you just if you have Xfinity, you can just hit that little blue button, talk into it and order it up by just going WBCN and the American Revolution.

[00:11:21] Wonderful movie.

[00:11:22] Wonderful movie.

[00:11:23] It took more than 10 years to make.

[00:11:25] It we, you know, gave it out to first WGBH.

[00:11:32] And then it went across the entire country on public broadcast.

[00:11:36] 117 stations.

[00:11:38] So it's just been a one that that was just a wonderful piece of art.

[00:11:41] That's how I got my interest in documentaries and what led me to 76 Days Adrift.

[00:11:47] Well, that's a that's a great transition.

[00:11:49] Let's talk about the new documentary, 76 Days Adrift.

[00:11:53] As Carter said, it's the incredible story of survival of Steve Callahan after the sinking of a sailboat mid-Atlantic in 1982.

[00:12:02] You've known Steven for some time.

[00:12:03] How did you two meet?

[00:12:05] We went to high school together.

[00:12:07] We we attended Dover, Sherbourne Regional High School on Dover Bass, just west of Boston.

[00:12:13] And Steve and I were on the track team together and we got to know each other that way.

[00:12:17] And we stayed lightly in touch after high school.

[00:12:20] But then, you know, people go their separate ways.

[00:12:23] And but but when Steve was 30 and he built his boat, which went down in the Atlantic after he was saved,

[00:12:32] I was fortunate enough to pick up the Boston Globe two days later, a day later, front front page, top of the fold.

[00:12:40] He saved.

[00:12:41] And I began really, you know, I was so thankful to get that news.

[00:12:46] And I followed his his development and telling his story.

[00:12:52] He wrote the book about four years later.

[00:12:56] But about a month or maybe five, six weeks after he was found, he appeared on Johnny Carson for the first time.

[00:13:04] And I love I love Carson.

[00:13:07] I tried to find that interview.

[00:13:09] I tried.

[00:13:09] It's not on YouTube.

[00:13:10] It's nowhere to be found.

[00:13:12] It is out there somewhere.

[00:13:13] If you look hard enough, you can find it.

[00:13:15] Um, um, uh, and there are others excerpts of it.

[00:13:19] I can send anyone.

[00:13:20] Um, but, um, so, you know, I was fascinated with this new fame that my my friend had.

[00:13:29] And then he writes the book.

[00:13:31] I devoured the book.

[00:13:33] Loved the book.

[00:13:35] And on his book tour, he was on Johnny Carson again.

[00:13:38] And we have a small snippet about maybe six or seven seconds of Johnny announcing him, you know, um, as part of our film.

[00:13:47] Um, so, uh, but, you know, I, mainly high school is how, how I got to know Steve.

[00:13:55] When did you start working on the current, on the movie project then?

[00:14:00] Um, Carter, it was about, it was about four years ago that.

[00:14:07] That I became involved in the film.

[00:14:09] It was after I had this vivid dream.

[00:14:12] And it said my dream was overwhelmingly suggesting that I need to get back to Steve.

[00:14:18] And I wasn't sure what it really meant, but I.

[00:14:24] That next, when I woke up, I called the local public library and asked them if, do you have, because I had lost my copy of 76 days adrift.

[00:14:32] And, and so, do you have the book?

[00:14:35] Yes, we have the book.

[00:14:37] So I rode my bike down there, picked it up.

[00:14:40] And read it.

[00:14:42] And then clapped it shut and said, okay, now I know why I was possessed to read this book again.

[00:14:48] Um, I want to reach out to him and see if we can do a movie, some sort of a documentary.

[00:14:53] Which I did, I reached out to him.

[00:14:55] And we finally got to talk.

[00:14:57] And he was kind of intrigued by my interest.

[00:15:01] And shared with me that he had already been interviewed by a fellow from the West Coast, from Hollywood, from, from L.A.

[00:15:09] Joe Ween, the brilliant director of this film.

[00:15:11] Um, has spent a week in Le Moyne, Maine, where Steve now lives.

[00:15:18] Doing extensive interviews.

[00:15:20] We did 23 hours of, of canned interviews with him.

[00:15:25] Um, and so.

[00:15:29] I reached out to Joe.

[00:15:31] I flew out to L.A.

[00:15:33] Did a super long breakfast with him.

[00:15:35] We shook hands.

[00:15:36] That was about four years ago.

[00:15:38] And it's been head down working on the film ever since.

[00:15:42] So, your, your, your title is executive producer.

[00:15:45] And I'm not Hollywood types.

[00:15:47] But what, what does that mean?

[00:15:49] Outside of kind of having this idea, then what does the executive producer do?

[00:15:54] And how does it get to the, uh, to the big screen?

[00:15:56] Sure.

[00:15:57] Classically, uh, an executive producer normally just forks over a lot of money.

[00:16:02] And his name or her name gets to appear on, on screen, right?

[00:16:07] Well, that's all fine and good.

[00:16:09] But if you are so inspired by the story, yes, I made a, an investment in the film.

[00:16:16] A personal investment in the film, um, of some substance.

[00:16:19] Um, but, um, when you believe in something, you know, you want to see it done.

[00:16:27] And especially knowing Steve as well as I do, there had been some terribly cheesy attempts

[00:16:34] at making a documentary or portraying Steve's story previous.

[00:16:39] There were horrible.

[00:16:41] When I did my research and getting involved in the film, it was just really, really bad B, C grade kind of production.

[00:16:49] And, you know, I, we collaborate when Joe Ween, the director and I started to collaborate on this film.

[00:16:54] It was something that I had to be certain of, that this was going to be the absolute best job possible of telling Steve's story in the most dynamic form.

[00:17:03] So people will really learn, learn about and experience what he went through.

[00:17:08] And that's exactly what the film does.

[00:17:10] But being an executive producer, um, I found myself responsible for, you know, pushing the thing along, making sure the time trains are running on time.

[00:17:20] Cause we have these, you know, potential looming deadlines, like our world premiere that happened earlier this year in Santa Barbara.

[00:17:27] And just making sure all the parts are coming together.

[00:17:31] It's not necessary, but it's my nature to want to see things through.

[00:17:34] And then, you know, there's thousands of emails, hundreds and hundreds of phone calls that have had to, that have to be made.

[00:17:43] And that's what's, that's what I love about this job and interest is because it's so rewarding to make these little changes.

[00:17:51] You know, it's like sailing, you know, you're off course more than you are on course, but you're making these slight adjustments.

[00:17:56] And that's what, that's what hopefully a good producer does for the film is make slight adjustments in the course that we're taking.

[00:18:05] So the film is based on the 1986 book, um, by Steven, and it's impossible to sum up a story like this in just a few words, but let's take a stab at it anyway.

[00:18:17] Can you give us just a quick podcast version of a movie trailer?

[00:18:21] So Steven, um, goes through a divorce with Frisha, his first wife.

[00:18:28] Uh, they're young, he's under 30.

[00:18:32] Uh, you know, yes, it was a, you know, divorce is somewhat tragic.

[00:18:37] Uh, but it was more or less like breaking up with his girlfriend, you know, but it was still bad.

[00:18:42] And so Steven sought refuge in, in building the boat and he put his whole entire life, his energy in building this boat up in Maine.

[00:18:50] It's finished.

[00:18:51] He takes it down to Newport, Rhode Island, um, stretches its legs on a, on a test run, goes from there to Bermuda, 600 miles.

[00:19:01] Meets his friend, Chris from Canada, who helped him build the boat.

[00:19:05] They both sail the boat over to Cornwall, England.

[00:19:11] His life goal since he was 12 was to get across the Atlantic in a small boat that he built himself.

[00:19:17] Check.

[00:19:18] That box has been checked.

[00:19:20] He inches his way down to the coast of Europe, to Portugal, leaves out of Portugal and finds his way to the Canary Islands.

[00:19:30] And from the Canary Islands, he takes off five, six days out.

[00:19:36] He's exhausted.

[00:19:37] He strips down to a t-shirt, puts it on autopilot at two 30 in the morning, loud crash.

[00:19:45] He theorizes a whale cracked the hull.

[00:19:48] The boat's down in about 15, 20 minutes.

[00:19:51] He's rushing around getting everything he can.

[00:19:54] And he was very smart in a chosen, the film about having a very well-prepared go bag packed and ready to go.

[00:20:02] The boat finally goes down and he's adrift in a five and a half foot rubber Avon life raft.

[00:20:13] And that's how this day one of 76 days begins.

[00:20:18] It's amazing in the film when you watch it and you listen to him tell the story.

[00:20:22] Obviously, it was a stressful, somewhat panicked moment, but he remained so calm and so able to think was really amazing.

[00:20:33] You know, Muhammad Ali had a good expression about fighters.

[00:20:38] And, you know, he said, yeah, be a champion.

[00:20:42] You really have to have the skill and the will.

[00:20:45] And Steve had both of those in his preparation.

[00:20:48] Since he was 12, head down, entirely focused, self-taught on, you know, the rules of the sea.

[00:20:56] And he was so prepared.

[00:20:58] And it really shows that part of his life and his being able to survive that 76 days is well documented.

[00:21:09] It's not letting any secrets out of the bag, but he wrote, you know, detailed notes in his time in the Atlantic.

[00:21:16] There's a daily log with best guess at navigation, diary entries, more personal writings.

[00:21:23] These had to have been a huge help for you telling the story decades later.

[00:21:28] Steven was smart enough to pack what he calls dime store paper and pencils and a sharp knife in Tupperware.

[00:21:38] He's a huge fan of Tupperware.

[00:21:40] Yeah, it's funny.

[00:21:41] He mentioned that in the film.

[00:21:42] That's right.

[00:21:43] It was nice.

[00:21:44] It comes out, right?

[00:21:45] You know, and while Tupperware just filed for bankruptcy, we will not talk about, we will not concentrate on it.

[00:21:52] But that log that he kept was so responsible for keeping him sane.

[00:21:56] He is a man of discipline.

[00:22:00] And he liked, he found he needed to be disciplined every day.

[00:22:03] And he had to go to work.

[00:22:05] And part of his work was keeping an accurate ship's log.

[00:22:08] In fact, he, with his three, I love this fact, with his, he formed a sextant with three pencils and some rubber bands.

[00:22:16] His father's waterproof watch that he gave him, that he had on.

[00:22:19] And he had a chart map of the Atlantic.

[00:22:23] And he kept score of where he was every day, taking sightings religiously.

[00:22:30] And that was part of his routine during his day.

[00:22:34] And he drifted 1,800 nautical miles.

[00:22:37] And when he was found, he was within 20 miles of where he thought he was and documented exactly where it was.

[00:22:42] Which, you know, given all those circumstances, that really fractures the audience when we get to share that during Q&A.

[00:22:52] People just shake their head.

[00:22:53] I still marvel at it.

[00:22:54] Celestial navigation has always been this witchcraft thing in my mind.

[00:22:59] And the way he set up his sextant, it was so simple and he made it so clear.

[00:23:05] It's unbelievable.

[00:23:07] And that goes into the preparation.

[00:23:09] He had the protractor in the Tupperware because he knew that he might need to do that someday.

[00:23:14] It's just wild.

[00:23:15] One of the things I, going back to the whole journaling of the trip, or not his trip, of his exploit.

[00:23:23] But I remember reading about, during the Vietnam War, the POWs that were captured.

[00:23:30] They talk about the people that survived the best.

[00:23:35] I mean, everyone kind of just gets by.

[00:23:37] But the captives that survived the best were the ones that they knew they were going to be rescued.

[00:23:45] Or they knew they were going to be freed.

[00:23:46] They didn't know when, but they knew it was going to happen.

[00:23:50] And then there was another group of people that were like, oh, it's happening.

[00:23:53] They're going to let us out this Christmas.

[00:23:54] And then Christmas comes and goes.

[00:23:56] And they go, oh, now it's going to happen at Easter.

[00:23:59] And then Easter comes and goes.

[00:24:00] And I think that really shows Stephen's mentality of taking notes.

[00:24:07] Like, if all is lost, why take notes?

[00:24:10] Why do anything?

[00:24:11] And it's so smart of him to give himself that job, to say, give himself a reason to wake up every day.

[00:24:19] And to say, oh, this is what I'm doing.

[00:24:21] These are the fish that I caught.

[00:24:23] These are the people, you know, the ships that passed through me.

[00:24:27] And it's really impressive.

[00:24:28] It is.

[00:24:29] And it really so well fills out the story.

[00:24:32] Steve's able to read from these little index cards that he built out of the dime store paper during the interview process.

[00:24:39] And it just enriches his tale so much that Joe Ween, the director, has done such an amazing job.

[00:24:47] I love the work he's done on this film.

[00:24:49] And Joe and Steve have become close.

[00:24:53] And so, yeah.

[00:24:55] Yes.

[00:24:56] Yes, Carter.

[00:24:57] Does Stephen, I mean, you know him way more than I do.

[00:25:00] Does Stephen consider himself like a MacGyver type?

[00:25:05] I don't want to give away all of the trials and tribulations, but he, every single day, again, he's got to figure out how to conquer a problem.

[00:25:17] And that is so clear throughout his days of, you know, the spear breaking or the water desalination not working.

[00:25:26] Does he, where did that come from?

[00:25:28] And I think it's just his order, ordered mind.

[00:25:35] You know, he's very orderly.

[00:25:36] He was extremely prepared.

[00:25:39] And again, I hearken back to his skill and will.

[00:25:43] And he didn't want to die.

[00:25:44] He was afraid of dying.

[00:25:45] And so he never gave up, which is so important in life, right?

[00:25:49] In everything we do.

[00:25:51] And so that's one of the strongest lessons from, from my perspective of the movie and the book and being with Steve is he never gives up.

[00:26:01] He never gave up for one minute.

[00:26:02] Now, he was very tempted.

[00:26:04] We won't give that away.

[00:26:07] We want people to understand why he was very tempted to give up with this massive challenge that he found himself faced with.

[00:26:14] But, you know, I want to read something from the book.

[00:26:19] I have accomplished in my oceanic odyssey and their writing of a drift.

[00:26:29] A lot.

[00:26:30] But whatever accolades I or a drift have received, I humbly accept.

[00:26:34] Not for myself, but for the incredible grace and awesome complexity of the universe.

[00:26:41] Drifting halfway across the Atlantic and learning to live like an aquatic caveman.

[00:26:46] Showed me time and time and again that I am less an individual than a part of a continuum.

[00:26:54] Joined to all things and driven by them more than I am in control of my own path.

[00:27:00] A drift may have flowed from my hand, but is the result of countless forces and individuals who shaped me, led me through a remarkable experience.

[00:27:10] And allowed me to live long enough to tell it.

[00:27:13] That's incredible.

[00:27:16] And it's one of the things that again struck me about this movie was that you saw at the very end of the movie, he has a moment.

[00:27:26] And spoiler alert, he's rescued.

[00:27:28] But as he's rescued, he has a moment with the school of fish that he's been traveling with.

[00:27:35] And he thanks them for the journey and helping him out.

[00:27:40] And it truly shows or reflects how Stephen sees himself in the world and in the universe and his role in that.

[00:27:53] Is that something, again, before and after knowing him, is that something he developed over those 76 days?

[00:28:01] Or is this just, you know, the experience changed him?

[00:28:05] Or was this always his kind of thought of his role in life?

[00:28:10] The experience changed him.

[00:28:13] It showed him his weaknesses and strengths.

[00:28:16] And he was able to really focus on improving on his weaknesses.

[00:28:20] He already had his strengths.

[00:28:22] But that whole experience in the end, first of all, Steve was a philosophy major when he went to college.

[00:28:29] And it shows throughout the book.

[00:28:32] He has this remarkable perspective on life and in general.

[00:28:37] And how he, you know, pays tribute to the fish is very emotional.

[00:28:44] And there's people that always tear up in the movie.

[00:28:47] I love watching the audience.

[00:28:48] And people begin when he starts talking about how the fish saved his life.

[00:28:52] What a wonderful ecological environment that he was surrounded by.

[00:28:58] Because barnacles began to grow on the raft.

[00:29:01] The fish were attracted and fed off these small, beautiful barnacles that they can't get anywhere in the ocean.

[00:29:08] But what he called rubber ducky.

[00:29:11] And, you know, they just stayed with him this whole journey.

[00:29:16] So he had a community.

[00:29:18] He had a village.

[00:29:20] And his, as he said, occasionally he'd have to murder one of his subjects.

[00:29:26] As the mayor of Duckyville, he found himself in deep conflict.

[00:29:30] But the fish saved his life.

[00:29:33] And, you know, his raft helped preserve theirs because they were able to feed off.

[00:29:38] So he loves this whole sense of the cosmos and just the universe at hand.

[00:29:44] And, you know, it's just this wonderful tale, right?

[00:29:46] You know, how he's safe.

[00:29:48] And then, you know, at the very end of the movie, his mother and father, you know, quickly come to see him.

[00:29:54] And it's just amazing how this mother was so concerned about her son.

[00:29:58] And she's finally got him in his arms.

[00:30:00] You know, and it's just like she's completely blown away, you know.

[00:30:04] Again, in Castaway, a phenomenal movie with Wilson.

[00:30:08] It gave Tom Hanks someone to talk to and someone to have and keep him sane where these fish are the same, the community that he would at least talk to the fish.

[00:30:18] And it keeps you sane.

[00:30:19] I mean, it's such a magical part of the movie.

[00:30:23] Carter, I'm glad you brought that up.

[00:30:25] And that's that, yeah, the fish were the equivalent of his Wilson.

[00:30:30] And he actually has a Wilson.

[00:30:36] He got Wilson, I think, from when he was on set at Life of Pi.

[00:30:41] But he talked about it.

[00:30:44] Yesterday we had this great lunch at a really cool restaurant in New York.

[00:30:50] And we were able to just chat for hours.

[00:30:55] And he brought up, you know, his Wilson-like experiments.

[00:30:59] As you're watching and he's talking about the things he had in the raft, he still has them.

[00:31:04] Like he has the spear gun.

[00:31:07] He has every, it's just, that's something that if I would have gone through something like that, I would keep those things as well.

[00:31:15] But, you know, I thought that was pretty cool to be able to see the stuff that he's cherished over the years.

[00:31:22] Yeah, Tyler, he still has his Shorty spear gun.

[00:31:26] And other artifacts he's generously shared with places like Peabody Essex Museum in Salem has his raft.

[00:31:38] Now it's this gluttonous mess that's laying on a sheet of plywood right now in the back room.

[00:31:44] But it's going to be resurrected.

[00:31:46] And there's going to be a major exhibit coming at PEM within the next year or two, which I'm looking forward to.

[00:31:56] We want to screen our movie at the Peabody Essex Museum well before then.

[00:32:01] And maybe possibly surrounding that exhibit that's going to come out.

[00:32:04] Then he's got artifacts at the Mystic Seaport Museum as well.

[00:32:09] He's given some nice pieces there.

[00:32:12] So he's kind of paid tribute to his trip by dispersing in particularly interesting places some of the artifacts.

[00:32:20] But he has retained a lot.

[00:32:22] And, yeah.

[00:32:24] Well, it seems like you took great care during filming to reproduce the equipment as best as possible.

[00:32:32] Stuff, tools like the air pump, the water tints, the spear gun, you know, all of that were as realistic as possible.

[00:32:41] How do you even go about sourcing these pieces?

[00:32:45] Once again, Joe Ween.

[00:32:48] Pass off to Joe.

[00:32:49] He spent the better part of a year recruiting all those props.

[00:32:52] And, you know, just was relentless and demanding about having a full inventory about exactly what Stephen had on board.

[00:33:03] So that, you know, he wanted it to be as real as possible.

[00:33:06] As real as possible.

[00:33:07] So we had a full complement of everything.

[00:33:12] When we headed off, we shot the water sequencing and raft scenes for 17 days in the Caribbean and St. Croix, which is only about 200 miles from the water that he was actually found in, which was wonderful to be that close.

[00:33:28] Right.

[00:33:29] You know what was fascinating?

[00:33:30] It was fascinating about Joe Ween's POV point of view.

[00:33:35] He was in the raft.

[00:33:36] He had this wonderful chest camera.

[00:33:40] Okay.

[00:33:41] And Joe was Steve.

[00:33:43] And he was so dedicated to it.

[00:33:45] And it was very difficult to show and how he depicts incredibly detailed ways of Steve's existence in the raft.

[00:33:55] So you're convinced you become Steve during the movie.

[00:33:59] Right.

[00:33:59] And even Joe's, if you looked at his fingernails and they were long, he let them grow long and they were dirty and grimy like Steve's would have been, you know.

[00:34:09] And it's just all these details that were marvelous and subtle that you don't really pick up on until you really look at the film.

[00:34:16] Like 19,000 times I kind of have.

[00:34:18] You've done such an excellent job of weaving in original footage from Steven with new footage that you've recently shot.

[00:34:27] Like you said, it brings the viewer into the raft.

[00:34:31] Yes.

[00:34:31] And it's, that cannot be easy, but you've done an excellent job.

[00:34:36] It's remarkable what Joe did to have this really special point of view where you're really, he is Steve.

[00:34:43] And you never see his face.

[00:34:45] You only see his hands and legs.

[00:34:48] And occasionally you can see him through underground, underwater shots.

[00:34:52] We had an underwater diver, cameraman taking specific shots.

[00:34:58] And you can see the outline of Joe and he looks just like Steve.

[00:35:01] He grew a long beard, longer hair, and lost a hell of a lot of weight.

[00:35:07] That's how serious he was about doing the, you know.

[00:35:10] He's a method actor.

[00:35:11] He's a method director.

[00:35:12] He is.

[00:35:12] He's a method director and just hats off to him the way he pulled it off.

[00:35:16] My brother-in-law saw the film screened and we were out to dinner and he's had some balance problems.

[00:35:22] He doesn't have vertigo, but he's had some issues with balance.

[00:35:25] And he turned to me and said, Rob, you know, halfway through the thing, I was so, the sea scenes and the raft are so real that I became, I felt like I was almost going to get seasick.

[00:35:36] You know, so.

[00:35:39] You pointed out what I was going to say.

[00:35:41] It was so effective.

[00:35:43] The way, as you said, all you saw was his hands and his feet.

[00:35:46] It was so effective of putting you there and in the raft.

[00:35:51] And when it was getting tossed around, you did have the effect of, oh, crap.

[00:35:55] Like, it was so easy to understand what he was going through at the time.

[00:36:01] And by the way, it was filmed.

[00:36:02] It's very impressive.

[00:36:04] Yeah.

[00:36:04] You know, Carter, that's a good point.

[00:36:06] And I talked to Joe about that.

[00:36:09] I said, like, you know, like, your waterproof camera, did it get wet?

[00:36:12] Would it ever get wet?

[00:36:13] And what's up with that?

[00:36:14] He goes, Rob, you wouldn't believe.

[00:36:16] I am so, you know, meticulous about how I want the lens clean.

[00:36:19] He went through 300 lens wipes that were specialized for this camera, you know, during the shooting for 17 days.

[00:36:27] That's how meticulous he wanted it to be.

[00:36:30] And it was a very difficult task because in the open ocean, a small raft, he had a leveling device at the camera to keep it, you know, more or less stable.

[00:36:38] Because without that stabilization, the camera would have been all over the place.

[00:36:42] Yeah.

[00:36:43] And it wouldn't have done what we, what he wanted to do.

[00:36:46] In preparation, Joe is so cool.

[00:36:47] He set up a trampoline in his backyard, put the Avon raft in the middle of it and had his children around it on top of the trampoline while he was in it, jumping around, emulating the sea before he shoved off to St. Croix.

[00:37:04] How dedicated can you be, man?

[00:37:06] That's really cool.

[00:37:07] How dedicated can you be in your craft?

[00:37:09] Yeah.

[00:37:10] I can't say enough about Joe.

[00:37:12] You know, I mean, Steve's story and Steve, you know, they're so inspirational, but so isn't Joe as far as what he's done for this film.

[00:37:21] You know, I just, he's just a one man band.

[00:37:25] He's a one man wrecking crew here.

[00:37:27] After spending 76 days on a life raft, Stephen probably had a lot of ideas about what was truly useful on board and what was totally useless.

[00:37:36] Did his experience have a change to the way that the life raft industry prepared and outfitted their vessels?

[00:37:45] Yes.

[00:37:47] He was really sought after by Avon, the raft company who's been subsequently sold to another company.

[00:37:56] But he became this nautical consultant when it came to gold bags and being hyper prepared for, you know, ocean voyage in a wooden sailboat or whatever boat you're on.

[00:38:11] And he, because of his experiences were, he was, he was, he was revered.

[00:38:18] He still is.

[00:38:19] And carved a life out from his experiences there and, and meaningfully improved the quality of some aspects of the survival items that you need when you go out onto the ocean.

[00:38:34] But there was a point in the movie where I think he, I remember he was looking at something as like, why the hell is this in the life raft?

[00:38:41] Did he, did, I mean, Avon obviously listened to him then.

[00:38:45] Yes.

[00:38:46] Yes.

[00:38:46] There were certain, yeah, there were certain aspects of the Avon raft that certainly could be improved.

[00:38:51] And they made those improvements based on Steve's experience for sure.

[00:38:56] You talk about being prepared.

[00:38:58] One item about that really killed me in the film was a simple Boy Scout utensil kit, right?

[00:39:06] It saved his life.

[00:39:07] And I won't give it away, but you guys know what I'm talking about because of the film, right?

[00:39:12] You know, this simple utensil kit, which was foreshadowed on when he was 12, when he was a Boy Scout, that's his Boy Scout leader got him sailing and became a mentor of his.

[00:39:27] And from that day forward, he was completely in love with sailing and nautical experiences.

[00:39:33] And from that day forward, you know, he moved forward with his whole life experience.

[00:39:40] So Ang Lee is another producer on the movie, and he is a huge name in the film industry that brings a ton of cachet and, oh yeah, a couple of Oscars to the table.

[00:39:50] How did Ang Lee come on board for Adrift?

[00:39:54] Carter, when Steve wrote his book, it was 36 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list.

[00:40:02] Ang Lee was commissioned by Fox.

[00:40:05] They committed $155 million for the creation of Life of Pi.

[00:40:09] He's a very serious filmmaker.

[00:40:13] And he does his research.

[00:40:15] He does his diligence.

[00:40:16] And how could he not reach out to Steve for Steve's valuable experience?

[00:40:22] So he reached out to Steve, went up to Lemoyne and Bar Harbor.

[00:40:27] They sailed Penobscot Bay for a day or so.

[00:40:30] They really got to know each other over a long weekend.

[00:40:33] And then Ang went away.

[00:40:36] And out of nowhere, six months later, he calls Steve.

[00:40:40] He says, Steve, I'm in Taiwan.

[00:40:42] I'm having the hardest time with some of these water scenes and just really putting things together.

[00:40:47] I need you out here.

[00:40:49] So Steve spends the rest of the filming there and becomes close friends with all the crew in Ang Lee.

[00:40:55] And I've got something I want to read to you, if you don't mind.

[00:40:58] Oh, please, please.

[00:40:58] And Ang Lee's involvement, or Steve's involvement in what Ang...

[00:41:02] This is a quote from the New York City Film Festival.

[00:41:06] It was a press-only Q&A.

[00:41:09] On stage was the moderator.

[00:41:12] You had Ang Lee, Elizabeth Gabler from Fox,

[00:41:17] the brilliant and beautiful actor Pi, the adult actor Pi from Life of Pi,

[00:41:22] and Jan, who wrote the book, all on stage.

[00:41:25] And the first question, the moderator opens it up.

[00:41:28] Okay, first question.

[00:41:30] You, yes.

[00:41:31] Well, I'm paraphrasing the question, but Ang, how did you do all these scenes with, you know,

[00:41:37] Pi adrift in this wooden, you know, lifeboat and the desolation and the acting?

[00:41:45] And how did you capture all that?

[00:41:48] Ang sits back, kind of grins like a Cheshire cat, right?

[00:41:53] I mean, just, you know, just full of just complete respect and love for Steve, right?

[00:41:59] And this is what, this was one of his quotes.

[00:42:01] By the way, they riffed on that one question for almost seven minutes, which is kind of unheard of.

[00:42:06] But here's Ang's quote in that press release, in that presser.

[00:42:11] When I started to think about Life of Pi, I visited him in Maine.

[00:42:15] I brought Stephen back to Taiwan to work on Life of Pi as a consultant, not only for the spiritual side,

[00:42:20] but also for his experience, details, and what went through, what he went through.

[00:42:27] Callahan is a man we all cherish, who cherishes what's good in life, and whose faith, indeed, helps us make the voyage.

[00:42:36] How cool is that, to have one of the most revered director-producers in the world living today, okay, on our team?

[00:42:46] I mean, good God.

[00:42:48] You know, it's such a wonderful blessing to have.

[00:42:51] Yeah, you got to pinch yourself.

[00:42:53] You know, and I'm, are you kidding?

[00:42:56] As a teammate, a part of the crew?

[00:43:00] It's just so wonderful.

[00:43:02] What a great quote.

[00:43:05] And it's all true.

[00:43:06] It's all true.

[00:43:07] It's an impressive group of people that you put together for this.

[00:43:11] I mean, and no film is complete without a score to tie everything together.

[00:43:15] And your composer for this film, which I was a little surprised to find the name in this field of music,

[00:43:24] but it's very familiar to me.

[00:43:26] Patrick Stump, the lead singer of Fall Out Boy, composed the score for this film.

[00:43:30] How did he get involved?

[00:43:32] Okay.

[00:43:33] Good answer.

[00:43:34] Because that, I mean, his music formed my entire college life.

[00:43:38] I mean, that was, I was a little blown away when I saw his name in the credits.

[00:43:43] Yes, yes.

[00:43:43] This is so fun.

[00:43:44] So how did, how did Patrick Stump get involved?

[00:43:47] Well, his wife, 20 years ago, was Patrick, I'm sorry, his wife was a nanny for Joe Ween and Jill Ween's children, or first child.

[00:44:01] And they became close.

[00:44:04] And so that's, that was the beginning of this bond that's been formed for 20 years.

[00:44:09] So he knows Patrick well.

[00:44:11] He's done some pretty successful YouTube commercials and or videos for Patrick and his, some of his, you know, close to billion hits now, right?

[00:44:22] Right.

[00:44:22] He's been touring with Green Day as the warm-up band.

[00:44:25] And, you know, he's got a syndicated national commercial going on right now.

[00:44:29] So, you know, Joe turns to Patrick and says, hey, would you ever consider doing the sound score?

[00:44:36] And Patrick wants to diversify his, his career.

[00:44:39] And he jumped at the chance, spent the better part of the year on and off forming his composition.

[00:44:46] And, you know, I, as one of the, as the producer wanted to keep the trains running on time, I kept on, I called Joe about every three weeks ago, how's Patrick on the sound score?

[00:44:55] And how are we doing?

[00:44:56] How are we doing?

[00:44:57] And it finally, he finally got it done about three weeks before, four weeks before our world premiere in Santa Barbara.

[00:45:04] And then he, Patrick completely blows us away.

[00:45:07] Unannounced.

[00:45:08] He sends it in the middle of the night to the Royal Scottish Orchestra in Edinburgh and, and engages them to practice it, practice it, and then finally do it live, sync to the very beginning, to the very end of the movie in front of a huge number of the entire full audience.

[00:45:25] And I love announcing the fact that Patrick's done the sound score and bringing attention to it before the movie starts, because you have this rich respect for Patrick's work, as it helps underpin the beauty of the film and narration.

[00:45:43] You guys have seen the movie.

[00:45:45] You have to agree, right?

[00:45:46] Yeah.

[00:45:47] It gives this dynamic to the film that's really super.

[00:45:50] So that's just this confluence of Patrick and Ang Lee being involved, elevate the film in my mind to a point where it's super exciting to be involved.

[00:46:03] And it's just this, you know, we initially, we didn't plan all this to happen, but it has happened.

[00:46:09] It's because Steve's journey is so essential and, and, you know, relatable to everyone when they see it, you know, and we, you know, and then Tyler, one thing also, which is really cool, super cool, is that Patrick covers Iggy Pop's iconic song, The Passenger.

[00:46:29] Yeah.

[00:46:31] It's just at, just at the end of the movie, right?

[00:46:33] You know, it, it, just as we're ending and to the way Joe Ween segues into, and now begins Patrick's version and cover of Iggy Pop's The Passenger.

[00:46:46] It's haunting.

[00:46:47] Yeah, it's great.

[00:46:48] It's haunting.

[00:46:48] And then the, the color pictures as the credits start to flow of the Dorado fish in the ocean swimming around and the beauty of it all.

[00:46:57] And this really cool, soulful ending of the movie.

[00:47:02] And so we're pounding on, on Patrick to cut a single.

[00:47:07] You know, but anyways, so it's going to be a great day if we could ever get Patrick, Ang Lee and Steve all on the same stage.

[00:47:16] That'd be great.

[00:47:16] You know, you debuted the documentary earlier this year in Santa Barbara at the Santa Barbara International Film Festival.

[00:47:24] Two great reviews.

[00:47:25] And you are on a nationwide tour of the movie.

[00:47:29] And one of the really cool aspects of it, and this is what's so great about having, you know, going to a place like Jane Pickens where I saw it was the ability to have question and answer afterwards.

[00:47:41] And I'm sure you get a lot of the same questions, but there's got to be some questions that really strike you as like, I've never thought of that.

[00:47:47] Or like, what's some examples of some of the questions that the audiences have brought to you that really kind of blew you away?

[00:47:54] One sticks out.

[00:47:56] We were screening it up in Woodstock, Vermont, in a nice venue.

[00:48:01] And a young woman, probably in her late 20s, confided in the film that, and the audience.

[00:48:09] She stood up and said, hey, you know, I've struggled with depression my whole life.

[00:48:16] And, you know, and oversensitivity to some things.

[00:48:20] But, you know, this film is so uplifting.

[00:48:22] And it's really helped me kind of reframe, you know, all in this, watching this wonderful survival she's seen.

[00:48:33] It brought out like some new renewed hope in her life.

[00:48:37] And time and time again, the biggest takeaway I get is people after the film are fractured by the film.

[00:48:44] They love it so much.

[00:48:45] They always come up to, you know, Steve, Joe, or I if I'm there.

[00:48:51] And, you know, are so thankful for having the film as a model.

[00:48:56] Because we all model in our lives, right?

[00:48:58] It's a modeling process of what is good?

[00:49:01] Go to that goodness, you know?

[00:49:03] And so people love the film that way.

[00:49:05] There's been just so many questions that have been asked.

[00:49:07] That's one that sticks out so vividly.

[00:49:10] Well, it's so rewarding because it shows that the movie, not only is it telling a phenomenal story,

[00:49:16] but the movie really and truly moved at least one person.

[00:49:20] And anyone who does it is like, if I could just move one person to be better or to understand better,

[00:49:28] then my job is done.

[00:49:29] And, I mean, so it's immediate gratification that this movie has done its job.

[00:49:34] Yeah, I was, you know, I'm so glad that you, Carter, reached out to me because you did.

[00:49:40] You were one of the people in the Jane Pickens audience.

[00:49:45] That whole experience, Carter, was amazing.

[00:49:48] The ladies from Newport Film are such good curators of film.

[00:49:52] And I had sent, I love this, I had sent to Andrea Van Buren, the screener.

[00:50:01] And she looked at it and got right back to me.

[00:50:03] On August 28th, she said, we are a go.

[00:50:07] When can we screen it?

[00:50:08] And I said, well, name a date.

[00:50:10] And in the same conversation, she said, how about September 19th?

[00:50:14] And I went, very good.

[00:50:16] Let's go.

[00:50:17] So in that short time span, I'm thinking, well, I'll go there and there might be a couple hundred people.

[00:50:24] This is a big theater.

[00:50:25] I looked at it.

[00:50:25] It was like capable of seating 478 people, right?

[00:50:29] This lovely Art Deco, amazing theater, right?

[00:50:34] And I get there and the sucker is full.

[00:50:38] They're turning people away.

[00:50:40] That was a magic night, don't you think?

[00:50:41] It was so special, yeah.

[00:50:44] There was a picture that you sent, and we'll put it up on our social feed, of the photographer had a picture of the crowd at Jane Pickens as the movie was up.

[00:50:54] Black and white.

[00:50:55] Yeah, it's a black, and it's so perfect.

[00:50:57] It's actually so perfect it doesn't look real, but it's a great picture.

[00:51:01] We'll share it, definitely.

[00:51:02] But it really was a great night.

[00:51:05] Thank you, yeah.

[00:51:05] And you know something?

[00:51:06] The audiences, the bigger the house, the better.

[00:51:09] I love sellout crowds.

[00:51:11] We're going to one tonight in Fairfield, Connecticut.

[00:51:14] A nice sailing association has put this together, and it's another, I love pre-sale sellouts, right?

[00:51:19] Because you know what you're walking into, right?

[00:51:21] Yeah.

[00:51:21] And the larger the crowd, the more community.

[00:51:25] And people laugh.

[00:51:26] Like you heard that.

[00:51:28] You know, there's gasps, and then there's laughs during the film.

[00:51:32] And Steve is kind of funny.

[00:51:34] He has a lot of good one-liners, very dry one-liners.

[00:51:36] He's very dry.

[00:51:38] And it lifts the audience, and it just keeps you there, man.

[00:51:41] It just keeps you there.

[00:51:42] So as you continue on this tour, where can people find out if it's coming to a town near

[00:51:48] them?

[00:51:49] But more importantly, when is it going to be available for people to view it publicly?

[00:51:53] If you go to 76daysadrift.com, you'll go to our website, and you can follow our screenings

[00:51:59] and film festivals.

[00:52:02] We're right now, I'm right now in New York, and we're attending the world's largest documentary-only

[00:52:08] film festival, Doc NYC.

[00:52:10] If you go to their website, Doc NYC, after our 345 screening, immediately after that, not

[00:52:18] before, but after that, you can go online, and you can buy a virtual seat.

[00:52:23] There's 500 seats domestically for the United States that are available for your viewers or

[00:52:28] anyone around to be able to see the film on your screen.

[00:52:33] And that's a wonderful opportunity to see it by yourself.

[00:52:37] Get other people in the room, please.

[00:52:38] The more people that see it, we like it.

[00:52:42] But it'd be cool if you guys want to follow that up.

[00:52:47] It's this afternoon, around 6 o'clock tonight until December 1st.

[00:52:52] Perfect.

[00:52:53] There's an open purchase period where you can download, and I think it's for $15.

[00:52:57] You can get a room full of people.

[00:52:59] Sell popcorn if you need to pay for the $15.

[00:53:03] That's a shameless promoter.

[00:53:06] You're an executive producer.

[00:53:07] You got to keep the trains running and shamelessly...

[00:53:10] I shamelessly apologize for my promotion, but...

[00:53:14] It's all about plugs.

[00:53:15] Having fallen deeply in love with this beautiful piece of art, I cannot help myself.

[00:53:19] At some point, I'm expecting to see it on one of the streaming services in the future?

[00:53:25] Yes.

[00:53:26] Yeah.

[00:53:26] Tyler, we've got a great sales agent globally right now.

[00:53:32] Radiant Films is our agent.

[00:53:35] We're paying them an exceptional premium to help us with a distributor.

[00:53:42] So buy the movie, $15 at a time.

[00:53:45] Yeah, no.

[00:53:46] We want to get a distributor so that we can see...

[00:53:49] We can have as many people in the world see this thing as fast as possible.

[00:53:54] My whole goal is to have...

[00:53:56] Literally, there's what, 8 billion people on the earth?

[00:53:59] I want a certain portion of people to see this film because it's so uplifting and full of hope and perseverance.

[00:54:07] And don't we need that right now?

[00:54:09] And so the times we're in.

[00:54:11] And so we have some really interesting sales leads.

[00:54:15] One in particular that might be coming to fruition fairly soon.

[00:54:19] There's someone interested in Taiwan in buying the Taiwanese rights.

[00:54:24] And it would be so cool and so fitting because that's where Life of Pi was filmed.

[00:54:29] And that's where Ang Lee resides.

[00:54:31] He's Taiwanese.

[00:54:32] And so that distributor is smart because he wants to get Ang Lee involved.

[00:54:36] And that would be a great stepping off point for us to show the chops of this film for other distributors.

[00:54:44] And so we have a healthy goal of getting someone involved in a meaningful way so that it can be shown to as many people as humanly possible.

[00:54:55] That's a big task.

[00:54:57] And you've got a lot on your plate.

[00:54:59] But what's next on your to-do list?

[00:55:01] Are there any more documentaries in production?

[00:55:03] Yes.

[00:55:04] I'm involved in my third and fourth film.

[00:55:07] The third is done by a really talented director and producer, Bill Lichtenstein.

[00:55:15] And I worked together on WBCN, The American Revolution.

[00:55:18] And Bill has spent the better part of now three years doing a deep dive on.

[00:55:24] And the title of the documentary is called Broken.

[00:55:27] And it's a very deep dive, close look at how broken the Massachusetts child welfare, foster care, and juvenile courts are.

[00:55:37] There's a lot of corruption.

[00:55:39] There's a lot of opaqueness in revealing what when things go wrong, why they went wrong.

[00:55:45] It's just nerve-wracking and maddening the ability for people to get away with literally murder in some instances.

[00:55:55] And Massachusetts is ranked currently 49th out of 50 states right behind Mississippi that leads the country in having the poorest and worst sense of care for people that are in foster care.

[00:56:09] And so that's pretty much really getting close to being done.

[00:56:14] And so my participation will be a cheerleading form, more or less.

[00:56:21] But Bill's done such a good job.

[00:56:22] That's going to become a major piece.

[00:56:25] He's done just...

[00:56:27] And he's got this great young associate producer, director of the film, Brooke, who's done a wonderful job.

[00:56:37] And my fourth project is actually the first narrative feature with my nephew, Nick Sennett.

[00:56:46] But it's about a sperm bank.

[00:56:50] It's a rom-com.

[00:56:53] It's a rom-com that's surrounded and kind of comes from, literally and figuratively, a sperm bank in Southern California.

[00:57:01] I can't wait.

[00:57:03] That's quite a range you have there.

[00:57:05] It's quite a range.

[00:57:07] You know, that'll be a couple of years in the making.

[00:57:10] But Nick has written a great script and we're in the process of casting it right now.

[00:57:16] Well, Rob, thank you so much for taking the time to sit down and talk about the documentary.

[00:57:24] 76 Days Adrift will be hopefully available on streaming services everywhere.

[00:57:29] If it's coming to your neighborhood, definitely do yourself right and get a ticket and go see the movie.

[00:57:36] It is fantastic.

[00:57:56] Welcome back to Around the Buoy.

[00:57:58] A huge thank you to Rob.

[00:58:00] I mean, talk about a busy man.

[00:58:01] That guy is traveling all over showcasing this movie.

[00:58:06] And to get him for 45 minutes, you know, 50 minutes to sit down and talk about it.

[00:58:11] Just what an incredible, incredible movie.

[00:58:16] It really was.

[00:58:17] And when we first started talking about this, it's not that I was dreading it, but I've seen so many of these lost at sea survival stories.

[00:58:33] And there's always kind of this, and not always subtle, but this line in the story of dread and doom and foreboding.

[00:58:45] And that's just not part of this story.

[00:58:48] And I have no doubt that at some point in those 76 days that Stephen felt more hopeless and that there was a string of time where things were just ugly.

[00:59:02] But it's pretty clear in his recount of the story and the production that the majority of the time he was just focused on surviving.

[00:59:14] And it wasn't necessarily a nightmare scenario.

[00:59:18] He found ways to keep himself present, to keep himself in the moment and, dare I say, enjoy it.

[00:59:24] Maybe not the experience in total, but aspects of it, of the self-reflection, the time to sort through what he needed to sort through.

[00:59:33] Being, you know, connected with the world around him, with the ocean, with the creatures in the ocean.

[00:59:40] And that's different compared to many of the other stories we've talked about.

[00:59:46] Yeah, I understand.

[00:59:47] They always said at the Naval Academy, it was a place where the four years that you were there were awful.

[00:59:53] But once you finished it, you're really grateful that you went through it.

[00:59:57] And that's kind of how I see his situation, because it's so interesting.

[01:00:04] I would love to know more about what he was like before and then what he was like after.

[01:00:11] And, you know, at the question and answer portion of the movie at Jane Pickens, someone came, someone asked the question about his spirituality.

[01:00:19] And Rob didn't feel he didn't feel it was his place to talk about Stephen's spirituality.

[01:00:27] But that I'd be really interested to know about who he was before.

[01:00:33] And again, he was talking about they were before the whole thing.

[01:00:36] He was going through a divorce.

[01:00:37] And it doesn't matter if it's the most amicable divorce ever.

[01:00:41] It's still a divorce.

[01:00:43] It's still a breakup.

[01:00:44] It's still parsing of a way and totally shattering your life.

[01:00:48] And then this thing happens.

[01:00:50] And so was this the necessary metamorphosis that he needed to become the better person that he is now?

[01:00:57] And 76 days alone at sea surviving literally, you know, by the fingernails.

[01:01:08] That might have been it.

[01:01:09] But I think it was if I would be if you asked even was it worth it?

[01:01:16] I would be interested to know what that answer is.

[01:01:19] Yeah, that would be interesting to find out.

[01:01:21] I mean, maybe like 74 days would have been enough.

[01:01:25] But who knows?

[01:01:25] But I don't want to give away too much of the story.

[01:01:28] But, you know, when when he did.

[01:01:32] He did finally end his time in the raft.

[01:01:35] He wasn't necessarily pushing to get out of it.

[01:01:40] That's true.

[01:01:41] So and part of that could have been shock in the moment and and all that.

[01:01:46] But it it was a refreshing take on something that could have been just a terrible experience.

[01:01:53] Terrible experience.

[01:01:54] Yeah.

[01:01:54] He made the most of a situation that could have ruined a lot of other people, myself included.

[01:01:58] I don't know if I could have done 76 days of inter monologue.

[01:02:02] The movie is available right now for the next I think until December 1st.

[01:02:08] This episode's coming out just shortly before Thanksgiving.

[01:02:11] You can go on to the Doc NYC web page and search it there.

[01:02:16] And there should be available for download if you want to watch it.

[01:02:19] Get on to Adrift's website, their Instagram.

[01:02:23] But also the website has got different showings that they're going to be doing across the country.

[01:02:30] Yeah, they were just in New York City.

[01:02:32] They were in Fairfield, Connecticut.

[01:02:33] They were out on the Cape.

[01:02:35] They've really been concentrating up in the Northeast.

[01:02:38] But I know the movie is making it out everywhere.

[01:02:41] They're doing a really big push to get this out.

[01:02:44] But get out there.

[01:02:45] Definitely find this movie.

[01:02:47] Find it online, docnyc.

[01:02:49] Or eventually when it comes streaming, if it comes to your neighborhood, do yourself a favor and buy a ticket quickly because they are going to sell out.

[01:02:57] This movie is spectacular.

[01:02:59] And it is uplifting more than you can ever imagine a story about 76 days floating across the Atlantic could be.

[01:03:08] And Rob, as you're listening to this, when it's released, we still have two outstanding questions.

[01:03:14] One, how did the spiritual, religious beliefs of Stephen change throughout the 76 days?

[01:03:23] And what was the make of the watch?

[01:03:25] I'm still waiting for my email on what watch this was.

[01:03:30] Someone, some watch supplier out there is going to say, hey, it was this one.

[01:03:35] We've got to, this is going to be your watch tie-in, Tyler.

[01:03:38] This is it, man.

[01:03:39] This is it.

[01:03:40] It's happening.

[01:03:41] It's happening.

[01:03:43] All right.

[01:03:43] Let's move on to our news topics.

[01:03:47] Tyler, I'll take the first news topic.

[01:03:49] We're going to talk about Amelia Earhart.

[01:03:51] We have...

[01:03:52] Did they find her?

[01:03:53] Well, we're about to find out.

[01:03:55] We've talked about this in the past.

[01:03:57] I think it was early this year.

[01:03:59] Well, we'll go back to it.

[01:04:00] So everyone knows the story of Amelia Earhart.

[01:04:02] If you don't, then here it is.

[01:04:04] Really quick kind of Cliff Notes version of it.

[01:04:07] She was attempting to be the first woman to fly around the world in 1937.

[01:04:12] It was her and a radio man.

[01:04:15] And I'm doing that radio man a disservice.

[01:04:18] I'm not remembering his name.

[01:04:19] But they were taking off from Papua New Guinea in July.

[01:04:23] Noonan.

[01:04:24] It was Noonan.

[01:04:25] Thank you, sir.

[01:04:26] Noonan.

[01:04:26] What?

[01:04:28] They were taking off from Papua New Guinea in 1937, in July of 1937.

[01:04:32] And they were supposed to be flying to Howland Island.

[01:04:35] And that's where the mystery starts.

[01:04:37] We don't really know what happened.

[01:04:38] There were some radio broadcasts that kind of say that they were or suggest that they

[01:04:43] were lost.

[01:04:44] She just disappeared, never be found again.

[01:04:47] And really, this is arguably one of the biggest mysteries in the modern era.

[01:04:52] And it has sparked more conspiracy theories than JFK, really.

[01:04:58] I mean, was she captured by the Nazis?

[01:05:02] Was she in an internment camp in Japan?

[01:05:05] Was she did she just go down in the water?

[01:05:08] Did she make it to Howland Island and just live there and then died there?

[01:05:11] We don't really know.

[01:05:13] Second to maybe aliens building the pyramids.

[01:05:18] This is the History Channel's one of their favorite topics.

[01:05:21] And it's been special after special after special of finding a tin can on an island in

[01:05:28] the South Pacific.

[01:05:30] And they pieced together her entire life post-wreck.

[01:05:34] It's incredible.

[01:05:37] Actually, that's where we run into trouble.

[01:05:39] That's where we run into trouble.

[01:05:41] Well, Deep Sea Vision is a company that specializes in finding stuff like this in the deep ocean.

[01:05:48] They thought in January of this year, they thought they had found it.

[01:05:52] They were taking some sonar images.

[01:05:55] They were searching just off the like a couple hundred miles off of Howland Island.

[01:05:59] And they found what they thought was an outline of her Lockheed 10E Electra.

[01:06:05] It's a very...

[01:06:05] We saw the pictures and it looks identical.

[01:06:09] Yeah, it's a very distinct looking plane.

[01:06:12] I mean, all planes have big wings, but it's very distinct looking.

[01:06:15] And it was this one looked very much like it.

[01:06:17] It was in about 16,000 feet of water, which obviously makes it very difficult.

[01:06:23] They sent down an ROV with sonar.

[01:06:27] These pictures came up and they were cautiously optimistic, but they had to go back to shore

[01:06:32] to get some other specialized equipment to come out and search for it.

[01:06:36] So they weren't going to be coming out to search for it until like November, until just now.

[01:06:40] The team went back to that space and the search, they sent down the imagery.

[01:06:47] And guess what, Tyler?

[01:06:49] We still don't know what happened to her.

[01:06:51] Charlie Brown in the football.

[01:06:53] It's just they pulled it out from under us one more time.

[01:06:56] After seeing the high-res photos, I don't necessarily feel like we've been led astray.

[01:07:01] I mean, it still looks in the shape of an airplane.

[01:07:06] It's still very, actually, so it turned out it was just a rock outcropping.

[01:07:11] And Deep Vision or Deep Sea Vision's CEO, Tony Romero said,

[01:07:17] talk about the cruelest formation ever created by nature.

[01:07:21] And that's like finding a needle in a bunch of haystack and needles is you find the one rock,

[01:07:29] you find the one rock outcropping that looks like an airplane.

[01:07:33] And we've talked to, you know, we've talked to people experienced with searching the ocean floor for things in the past.

[01:07:42] And a little foreshadowing, an upcoming episode, we talk about it a little bit more.

[01:07:47] But it is somewhat of an art in reading the data that comes out, reading the pictures off of those sonar scans.

[01:07:55] And I don't fault them for this one.

[01:07:58] This one was close.

[01:07:59] No.

[01:08:00] And it was in the right spot.

[01:08:01] It was in the right shape.

[01:08:04] It fit the data we had available to us.

[01:08:07] It just wasn't it.

[01:08:09] And it's interesting.

[01:08:11] There's another company out of actually a neighborhood close by, Kennebunkport, Maine.

[01:08:17] It's called Nauticos.

[01:08:19] They've been searching for this quite some time.

[01:08:22] And the president of Nauticos kind of warned the world and maybe Tony about using long range or long wave sonar to find things like this.

[01:08:37] Because for natural rock outcroppings, it is very deceptive, the information coming back.

[01:08:45] And so it wasn't kind of like I told you so.

[01:08:48] But I would imagine these two companies, obviously trying to search for the same thing in the same location, there's a little bit of jabbing going on where Nauticos might be going.

[01:09:01] And we do our very best to stay out of the political whatever that the world has going on right now.

[01:09:10] But I will say that the mass media on this one may have taken and ran with the story further than those involved were.

[01:09:21] They never came out and said, hey, this is it.

[01:09:24] We found it.

[01:09:25] Found it.

[01:09:26] No problem.

[01:09:28] But that's kind of where the snowball behind the press coverage ended up.

[01:09:33] And they were pretty careful throughout this whole time of saying, it looks good, but it's deep.

[01:09:43] It's far away.

[01:09:44] We'll be back next year.

[01:09:45] And we'll try to sort it out.

[01:09:48] Yeah.

[01:09:49] But I was surprised that there's a lot of companies right now out looking for her.

[01:09:56] And I guess it's because it's a great story and a pretty captivating mystery.

[01:10:03] But there's other things that we probably should find, too.

[01:10:07] So let's talk about the square footage or square mileage that Tony and Deep Sea Vision searched.

[01:10:13] It was 1,000 square miles.

[01:10:15] And that's a box that's 31 by 31.

[01:10:18] The total square mileage that they've been searching is 7,700 square miles, which is a box that is only 80 some miles long and wide.

[01:10:30] That's such a small postage stamp.

[01:10:33] There's been a lot of pictures on the internet recently showing the Pacific Ocean, showing the view of the world by the view of the Pacific Ocean, where the entire globe is nothing but ocean.

[01:10:45] And we're talking about a box that's 83 miles in length and width.

[01:10:52] But it's so impossible to think about finding something in the end.

[01:10:56] It's more of a matter of time than anything else.

[01:11:02] Sooner or later, they'll run over it.

[01:11:05] But there's such a variable in the information that we have.

[01:11:14] The radio signal, the last signals that they got from the airplane, there's a lot of space that they could have been to get those signals.

[01:11:24] They didn't have the technology back then to pinpoint things like we do now.

[01:11:28] Now, I haven't looked at a coverage map, but it is a big piece of water that that plane could be in.

[01:11:35] And it's sooner or later, they'll run over it.

[01:11:39] So the president of Nauticos compared what they're doing to looking for a contact lens on a football field in the pitch black using a pen light as your illuminator, as your light, as your illumination.

[01:11:56] And that kind of gives it the idea of how impossible this task is.

[01:12:01] I don't know.

[01:12:01] When I read that, I kind of thought that that was a little generous.

[01:12:09] It seems like it would be a little bit larger than that.

[01:12:12] But hey, I'm an idiot.

[01:12:13] I don't know what I'm talking about.

[01:12:15] Maybe they're including the end zones, not just the whole line.

[01:12:18] Oh, that makes all the difference in the world.

[01:12:22] So the search continues.

[01:12:24] I don't think this is going to be like our Frenchman in a barrel, but I'm sure we'll check back in at some point.

[01:12:31] Do we have a new Frenchman in the barrel?

[01:12:33] Is the Frenchman in the barrel now Charlotte the Stinger?

[01:12:35] Rest in peace.

[01:12:35] No, we're done talking about Charlotte hasn't died.

[01:12:39] Charlotte hasn't.

[01:12:40] Our intrepid adventurer has.

[01:12:42] But no, I'm done talking about this stupid fish.

[01:12:46] I get it.

[01:12:47] It's not a fish.

[01:12:49] Hold the emails.

[01:12:50] I got it.

[01:12:54] All right.

[01:12:55] Frenchman in a barrel.

[01:12:56] It is.

[01:12:57] The story continues.

[01:12:58] All right.

[01:12:58] Well, man, I got to tell you, I've been up.

[01:13:01] I got up early.

[01:13:02] We're recording this in the morning, but I got up early and I've I've turned a new leaf, man.

[01:13:07] I've decided that I'm going to become a sale GP fan.

[01:13:11] They have turned me.

[01:13:13] But so, Tyler, it's this is very fortuitous to say that because I was just on the verge of doing the exact same thing, saying it's time to buy in.

[01:13:22] I got up this morning and watch the final couple races of this this season's first event in Dubai, and it was great.

[01:13:33] But, you know, I don't have a favorite team.

[01:13:40] Right.

[01:13:40] Obviously, I'll pick I'll pick the U.S., but, you know, it's it's not that kind of thing for me.

[01:13:47] I didn't grow up with, you know, these are my favorite sailors.

[01:13:50] This is my favorite team.

[01:13:51] Fight or die.

[01:13:52] Red Sox all the way kind of a thing.

[01:13:54] But the racing is so captivating.

[01:13:57] The the the way that they put it together and they make it so easy to follow and interesting.

[01:14:03] It just it's fun to watch.

[01:14:06] And I think that's what's turned me.

[01:14:08] I think that's what's giving me a reason that, you know, the next events in January.

[01:14:13] So they spread these out fairly well.

[01:14:16] But I'm looking forward to it.

[01:14:18] This might be opening up a Pandora's box, Tyler.

[01:14:22] But we're on the just recently, the America's Cup was awarded to New Zealand and it is the biggest sporting event.

[01:14:32] That's the crux of the issue.

[01:14:34] No one knows.

[01:14:34] I have no idea.

[01:14:35] And yeah, I knew it was happening.

[01:14:39] Yada, yada, yada.

[01:14:40] I couldn't have told you without looking it up who who won.

[01:14:43] I know New York Yacht Club did not.

[01:14:46] And that's, you know, kind of local news.

[01:14:48] And obviously, I'm going to follow that a little bit.

[01:14:51] But even we've talked to Sarah Stone in a previous episode and the.

[01:14:57] The female teams that did the Puig Cup, I looked for 15 minutes this morning on the America's Cup website.

[01:15:05] I could not find results.

[01:15:07] Like, I just they're making it so hard to keep up with it that it's it's not worth watching.

[01:15:16] So I don't know if this is the America's Cup fault because everyone.

[01:15:23] So the races here in the United States, the races were available to you 24 hours after the finish.

[01:15:31] So you could watch the races on the website or on YouTube, but it was only 24 hours after.

[01:15:37] And I believe this was only in the United States.

[01:15:40] So this might be a United States problem and not a world problem or America's Cup problem.

[01:15:45] But everywhere else in the world, you could watch them live on the website.

[01:15:50] And so.

[01:15:51] And I'm not.

[01:15:51] I know I'm not alone in this.

[01:15:53] If they're expecting people that aren't.

[01:15:57] Live and breathe sailing to be able to follow this, I've got a three year old.

[01:16:04] I if I'm not able to catch it, I'm not going to remember tomorrow that I need to log in and find this race again.

[01:16:14] And after that, it's I probably feel the same way about watching Thursday Night Football on Amazon on Friday morning.

[01:16:22] I already know who won.

[01:16:24] I've already seen all the highlights on Instagram.

[01:16:27] I know the story.

[01:16:28] I know who got injured.

[01:16:30] It's it's unless I just have a bunch of free time.

[01:16:34] I'm not going to go spend the hour or two hours to to watch it after the fact.

[01:16:39] And SailGP has done an amazing job of making it available on their app, on their website, on YouTube.

[01:16:46] You don't have to jump through a bunch of hoops.

[01:16:48] I don't need a VPN to log on.

[01:16:52] Like, it's just so easy to watch.

[01:16:56] The racing's good.

[01:16:57] It's close racing.

[01:16:58] Races are short.

[01:17:00] The boats are fast.

[01:17:01] Going again back to the America's Cup.

[01:17:03] And I'm really not trying to kick the America's Cup.

[01:17:05] But what I watched, I did my best.

[01:17:09] I really wanted to get sucked into this thing.

[01:17:12] And much like the first one with these new boats, there was when we got to the point where they were doing the Louis Vuitton Cup and it was Ineos and the Italians.

[01:17:23] Of the nine, ten races that they did, there were, I think, one or two that were spectacular.

[01:17:33] Like every cross, there was one dipping the transom, the other one.

[01:17:37] It was they were crossing.

[01:17:39] There was it was tactically just awesome to watch.

[01:17:43] Everyone else was if you had a lead at the start, then you just sat on the lead and you finished the race and you won.

[01:17:51] There was no suspense to it at all.

[01:17:54] So it was all about pre-start maneuvering and who had the first entrance into the box.

[01:17:59] And really and truly, I did my best to try to be interested in it.

[01:18:04] And it didn't hold through.

[01:18:06] And then you take Ineos, which just beat up on the Italians, and they go up against the Kiwis and just get slaughtered.

[01:18:17] And it was over before it started.

[01:18:20] The final race today is a perfect example.

[01:18:23] The US, Great Britain and New Zealand were the top three boats for this event.

[01:18:29] And the final race, all three boats led the race at one point.

[01:18:33] It wasn't until the final leg where New Zealand really, really kind of took a substantial lead.

[01:18:41] But even that, the second and third place was decided at the final mark.

[01:18:46] And it was close racing.

[01:18:48] They're still doing 60 miles an hour.

[01:18:52] But they're not on opposite ends of a bay.

[01:18:55] They're racing neck and neck.

[01:18:58] I mean, they're going to be trading.

[01:19:00] It's kind of like NASCAR.

[01:19:01] They're going to be trading paint in the corners.

[01:19:03] Trading paint.

[01:19:03] It was captivating.

[01:19:05] It was great to watch.

[01:19:08] And I think that too much of a good thing, they've paid attention to that phrase.

[01:19:16] And they've spread these out about a month apart, maybe a little bit more, a little bit less.

[01:19:20] So you're not overwhelmed with every Saturday, every Sunday, we're going to have three races or five races, whatever it is.

[01:19:32] There's just enough to be entertaining, to be exciting, and to want more.

[01:19:38] And they've really done a good job.

[01:19:42] Yeah, I think if the America's Cup was going to learn something, they always talk about the Cup is on the forefront.

[01:19:50] It's on the knife's edge of technology and has been from even from the late 1800s.

[01:19:56] I think they need to adopt fleet racing because that turns what should be a pretty phenomenal, exciting experience.

[01:20:08] Really turns it up to 11 because with the fleet racing with SailGP, there's always something else.

[01:20:16] I mean, you can't just get out.

[01:20:18] I mean, you can, but it's difficult to get out to a lead.

[01:20:21] That sprint from the start to the first mark is absolute chaos.

[01:20:27] It is absolute chaos.

[01:20:28] So there's, for those that haven't caught the bug yet, there are 12 teams.

[01:20:35] So there's 12 boats sailing, 11 this first one because one team has kind of yet to finish their boat.

[01:20:43] It's wild.

[01:20:44] I mean, boats are going fast.

[01:20:46] They're close.

[01:20:46] And there's a lot of them.

[01:20:48] Yeah, no, I'm sold.

[01:20:50] I'm with you, Tyler.

[01:20:51] It's a lot like soccer in America.

[01:20:53] Everyone said it's coming and it's going to happen.

[01:20:55] And then I got bit by the World Cup two years ago, two and a half year, two years ago.

[01:21:02] And I'm in.

[01:21:03] I'm watching Premier League.

[01:21:04] I'm now, you know, obviously Rhode Island RIFC.

[01:21:07] Hey, how about the home team, man?

[01:21:10] Tough, tough loss in the championship yesterday.

[01:21:13] But, but really and truly no way.

[01:21:17] First year to get to the final.

[01:21:19] First year to get to the final.

[01:21:21] It just, it was not their day yesterday against Colorado Springs.

[01:21:25] Way to go.

[01:21:26] But what a phenomenal season.

[01:21:27] But back to CLGP.

[01:21:29] It is, I've been wanting to embrace it.

[01:21:34] And I think the confluence of the America's Cup and my frustration with them might be, this might be the spark that really makes me much like yourself, Tyler.

[01:21:44] Dive in and really start watching.

[01:21:46] And for me also having Rolex become the title sponsor.

[01:21:52] That sold me right there.

[01:21:54] Back to the watch.

[01:21:55] Just throwing this out in the universe.

[01:21:56] Hey, Rolex, if you, if you need another photographer, man, I'm, I'm waiting by the phone.

[01:22:02] I'd love to work with you.

[01:22:06] Indeed.

[01:22:07] Indeed, Tyler.

[01:22:08] The shameless plug.

[01:22:09] Well, I think that about wraps up this episode.

[01:22:13] What, what season are we on now?

[01:22:15] Is this the season 27?

[01:22:17] This is episode two of Steven 27.

[01:22:20] What?

[01:22:21] Let's see.

[01:22:21] I think it's this episode where episode we are on season one, episode 91.

[01:22:26] I believe it is.

[01:22:27] No.

[01:22:28] Season one episode.

[01:22:29] Yeah.

[01:22:29] That took me a second.

[01:22:32] I think this is episode 90.

[01:22:35] Is it?

[01:22:36] Let me check my little behind the scenes.

[01:22:38] We've recorded two this weekend, but I, I, yeah, this is 90.

[01:22:42] The next one is 91.

[01:22:43] So, uh, season whatever X plus one, uh, episode one.

[01:22:49] Welcome back.

[01:22:50] Here we go.

[01:22:52] It's not a new season.

[01:22:54] You're confused enough already to how you don't have to confuse the listeners with the whole

[01:22:59] season.

[01:23:05] All right, man.

[01:23:06] That wraps up this episode.

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